Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Posted on October 10, 2011 by elijah19
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Dear brother, Syed Ali-ul-Ahsan,
Salamun Alaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Madad.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat.
It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it. Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9).( “THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB WHOM I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH,ARE REQUESTING THAT THEY DONOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE CODES,SO UNLESS THEY ARE SURE WHAT THESE CODESD ARE ABOUT,THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THIS VERIFICATION.”)
Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord (THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB ARE REQUESTING YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT DO YOU BY SAYING THAT,I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord ).and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ).(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANMSAB SAY THAT THIS IS THE OLD BONERI SHAJRA,BUT THE ISSUE HERE WAS NOT OF SADATE BONER BUT IT WAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA SAYYIDAN JALANDHAR AULAD E SYED KHAIRUDDIN TIRMIZI MIRAN SAYYID KHAS DARVESH E CHARRAM POSH.SADAT E DOKOHA.NO SHAJRA OF SADAT E DOKOHA CONTAINS ANY OF THE ABOVE NAMES ABOVE SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,RATHER ALL THESE NAMES FROM SYED ISHAQ UP TO IMAM ALI NAQI ARE IN THE OLD SHAJRAS OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT,RATHER THE OLDEST SHAJRAS AND EVEN THE NOW ACCEPTED SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT WRITTEN ON THE GRAVE STOINE OF SYED ALI GHAWAS TIRMIZI BONERI IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT SHAJRA IS LINKED TO SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SON OF SYED IMAM ZADEH MUHAMMAD SO N OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM.
WHERE AS ALL OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA ARE AS FOLLOWS.
MEHMOOD TIRMIZI SON OF SYED AHMAD ABU YUSAF SON OF SYED ABDULLAH SON OF SYED ALI UL ASHQAR SON OF IMAM ZADEH JAFAR SANI SON OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM).
SO THE OBJECTION BY THE SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY IS THAT IT IS NOT YET PROVED FROM ANY QADEEM SHAJRA/OLD SHAJRA THAT THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E DOKOHA AND SADAT E BONER WAS ONE AND THE SAME SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,SO HOW CAN A SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI BECOME THE SAME FOR SADAT E DOKOHA,AND HERE THEY ALSO OBJECT THAT THE SHAJRA THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR SADAT E BONER EVEN THAT SHAJRA IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E BONER.
It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB OBJECT TAHT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SHER SAWWAR BHAKARI SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SHUJA THE SON IN LAW OF KING OF IRAN WAS THE FIRST NAQVI THAT CAME IN BHAKAR ROHRI AREA AND HE CAME FROM MASHAD.HE CANNOT BE THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E TERMEZ DOKOHA OR BONER.ADDITIONALLY THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI AND HE WAS NOT THE GRAND SAON OF SYED ABDULLAH)son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi(SCHOLARS CLAIM THAT IN NO SHAJRA SON OF SYED ABDULLAH BY THE NAME OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI IS GIVEN,SO HOW DID U COME TO KNOW THAT SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI WAS THE SON OF SYED ABDULLAH) son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ). It is further certified that Syed Abdullah Son of Syed Ali-ul-Ashqar has two sons namely Syed Ahmed Naqvi and Syed Muhammad Naqvi (latter settled in Samarqand, till Syed Mahmood Naqvi Son of Syed Muhammad Fakhruddin who was later called Trimzi Naqvi. The well known Bokhari Sadat from Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, districtt Bahawalpur – Pakistan are the descendants of Syed Ahmed Naqvi the other son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –ul- Ashqer the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ).
Therefore Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or not the descendants of Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, district Bahawalpur – Pakistan but they are the descendants of Syed Muhammad Naqvi Samarqandi son of Syed Ali-ul- Ashqar the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ). May Lord bless you all and keep you under His Great Mercy / Rehma (Immam ELY–AJ) and Grace/ Fazal (Muhammad –SAWW), Amen.
Prof Dr. Syed Akbar abbas Naqvi Bokhari.
YOU ARE KINDLY REQUESTED TO CLARIFY THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF VERIFICATION AND KINDLY RESPOND TO THE CRITICISM OF THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB,BECAUSE UNLESS ALL SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY ARE NOT SATISFIED,THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT BE RESOLVED.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat. It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it.
Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9). Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ). It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi ( Also called Boneri Trimzi)son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ).
Therefore, Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or the descendants of Suffi “Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi(Bokhari).
Moreover, in relation to the main issue of my contact and divine codes…….it is for my own satisfaction and not for any one else. If any one has any concern about these divine codes he can come to see me and should be satisfied…….accordingly.
doctor sahab:i had contacted you few years ago.I had met you as well and i had shared different versions of our shajras with you,and you had sent me this shajra,…………………
kindly send me the copy of shijra sent to you from uch sharif so that I can see any fault available in it…..you may send it through email: akbarmono19@hotmail.com
I think ur shia
And their shia belongs to family of Muhammad
You well be finish for that shiaizam
I am belong to a real syed family and we are suni
And you just doing shirk all the life and also why u say that ur syed don’t say again .
No one syed are shia .
How you can be in family of Muhammad
Because u doing shirk just asking help from Ali (r.z) .
Why not u ask help from Allah .
Jiss din tumhein yeh pata challa key Allah kiya hey paoun key neechey sey zamin bhi nikal jay gi aur tum ney kiya kaha khub samjh ajay gi………pehley Allah key barey jis kitab sey perhney ka hokum Quran ney diya uss k perh ker Allah ko tu samjh lou?…..Quran Surah Al Hajj Verse no 22 ….mein Allah key liye Kitabe Munir sey elm hasil kerna hey……aur Kitabe Munir key bagheir Allah key barey bat kerney valey Kulee Shyatien key murid hein …..jesey aap (Surah Al Hajj verse no 3)……aur ub yeh bhi zaruri hey key Kitabe Munir ki talash ki jay jiss key elm key bagheir tum Shyatien key Murid bun gay they…..tu yeh lou Quran ney surah fatir mein uss ko pichli kutub e Illahiya key sath bheija jana bataya hey….(Quran surah Fatir ayat no 25)…….ub zahir hey tum uss kitab ko nhi jantey jis din uss Kitabe Illahiya sey Allah ko jan saku gay moula ELY (AJ) sey mangney mein na siraf fakher hasil karu gey bulkey hamesha key liye Shia hu jaou gey….jesey Sibtaim boneri bhai aik hi mulaqat mein na siaraf shia hu gay hein bulkey Illahiyat key regular student bhi bun gay hein……apko bhj zyada deir nahi lagey gi…….you are welcome to visit me in Rawalpindi……my cell no is 0323 5744134.
sir kindly clarify all these doubts of the scholars of ilmul ansab.ill be gr8ful
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Posted on October 10, 2011 by elijah19
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Dear brother, Syed Ali-ul-Ahsan,
Salamun Alaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Madad.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat.
It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it. Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9).( “THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB WHOM I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH,ARE REQUESTING THAT THEY DONOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE CODES,SO UNLESS THEY ARE SURE WHAT THESE CODESD ARE ABOUT,THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THIS VERIFICATION.”)
Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord (THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB ARE REQUESTING YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT DO YOU BY SAYING THAT,I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord ).and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ).(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANMSAB SAY THAT THIS IS THE OLD BONERI SHAJRA,BUT THE ISSUE HERE WAS NOT OF SADATE BONER BUT IT WAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA SAYYIDAN JALANDHAR AULAD E SYED KHAIRUDDIN TIRMIZI MIRAN SAYYID KHAS DARVESH E CHARRAM POSH.SADAT E DOKOHA.NO SHAJRA OF SADAT E DOKOHA CONTAINS ANY OF THE ABOVE NAMES ABOVE SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,RATHER ALL THESE NAMES FROM SYED ISHAQ UP TO IMAM ALI NAQI ARE IN THE OLD SHAJRAS OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT,RATHER THE OLDEST SHAJRAS AND EVEN THE NOW ACCEPTED SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT WRITTEN ON THE GRAVE STOINE OF SYED ALI GHAWAS TIRMIZI BONERI IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT SHAJRA IS LINKED TO SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SON OF SYED IMAM ZADEH MUHAMMAD SO N OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM.
WHERE AS ALL OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA ARE AS FOLLOWS.
MEHMOOD TIRMIZI SON OF SYED AHMAD ABU YUSAF SON OF SYED ABDULLAH SON OF SYED ALI UL ASHQAR SON OF IMAM ZADEH JAFAR SANI SON OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM).
SO THE OBJECTION BY THE SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY IS THAT IT IS NOT YET PROVED FROM ANY QADEEM SHAJRA/OLD SHAJRA THAT THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E DOKOHA AND SADAT E BONER WAS ONE AND THE SAME SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,SO HOW CAN A SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI BECOME THE SAME FOR SADAT E DOKOHA,AND HERE THEY ALSO OBJECT THAT THE SHAJRA THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR SADAT E BONER EVEN THAT SHAJRA IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E BONER.
It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB OBJECT TAHT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SHER SAWWAR BHAKARI SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SHUJA THE SON IN LAW OF KING OF IRAN WAS THE FIRST NAQVI THAT CAME IN BHAKAR ROHRI AREA AND HE CAME FROM MASHAD.HE CANNOT BE THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E TERMEZ DOKOHA OR BONER.ADDITIONALLY THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI AND HE WAS NOT THE GRAND SAON OF SYED ABDULLAH)son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi(SCHOLARS CLAIM THAT IN NO SHAJRA SON OF SYED ABDULLAH BY THE NAME OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI IS GIVEN,SO HOW DID U COME TO KNOW THAT SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI WAS THE SON OF SYED ABDULLAH) son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ). It is further certified that Syed Abdullah Son of Syed Ali-ul-Ashqar has two sons namely Syed Ahmed Naqvi and Syed Muhammad Naqvi (latter settled in Samarqand, till Syed Mahmood Naqvi Son of Syed Muhammad Fakhruddin who was later called Trimzi Naqvi. The well known Bokhari Sadat from Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, districtt Bahawalpur – Pakistan are the descendants of Syed Ahmed Naqvi the other son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –ul- Ashqer the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ).
Therefore Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or not the descendants of Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, district Bahawalpur – Pakistan but they are the descendants of Syed Muhammad Naqvi Samarqandi son of Syed Ali-ul- Ashqar the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ). May Lord bless you all and keep you under His Great Mercy / Rehma (Immam ELY–AJ) and Grace/ Fazal (Muhammad –SAWW), Amen.
Prof Dr. Syed Akbar abbas Naqvi Bokhari.
YOU ARE KINDLY REQUESTED TO CLARIFY THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF VERIFICATION AND KINDLY RESPOND TO THE CRITICISM OF THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB,BECAUSE UNLESS ALL SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY ARE NOT SATISFIED,THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT BE RESOLVED.
Dear Prof. sahib,
I am also Naqvi Tirmizi Syed from Swat. We have hand written shajara of our family which is as under:
Shah Waliullah S/o Tahir Shah s/o Syed Ali Azhar s/o Syed Ameer Baacha s/o Syed Ahmad Shah s/o Syed Noor Ali Shah s/o Syed Mian Hazrat Shah s/o Syed Mian Talab-ud-Din s/o Syed main Pir Aashiq s/o Syed Mian Masood s/o Syed Mian Abdul wahab s/o Syed Mian Mustafa s/o Syed Ali Ghawas Tirmizi (Ppir Baba) s/o Syed Qanbar Ali s/o Syed Ahmad Noor s/o Syed Yousuf Noor s/o Syed Muhammad Noor Bakhsh Tirmizi s/o Khwaja Syed Ahmad Beyghum s/o Syed Ahmad Bidaq s/o Syed Ahmad Mushtaq s/o Syed Shah Abu Ayyub Turab s/o Syed Hamid s/o Syed Mahmood s/o Syed Ishaq s/o Syed Usman s/o Syed Umar s/o Syed Muhammad s/o Syed Hussamuddin s/o Syed Shah Nasir Khisro s/o Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam s/o Syed Abul Muyaeed Ameer Ali s/o Syed Abdur Rahim s/o Syed Mahmood Makki s/o Syed Abu Jaafar Muhammad s/o Syedina Imam Ali Naqi s/o Syedina Imam Jawwad Taqi s/o Syedina Imam Ali Raza s/o Syedina Imam Musa Kazim s/o Syedina Imam Jaafar Sadiq s/o Syedina Imam Muhammad Baqir s/o Syedina Imam Zainul Abideen s/o Syedina Imam Hussain s/o Syedina Ameer-ul- Momineen Ali karamallahu wajhu.
assalamoalikum
Allah si umeed hi sab khiryat si hongi.mira taaloq bunir si hi awar syed ali termizi rahmatullah aalih 12 posht mi meri dada hain moji ye maloom karna hi ki sadat ki jitni akabireen gozri hain kia woh shiaa maslak si taaloq rakhti thi jisa ki mazkora bala bianat si zahir ho raha hi ya woh sunniulmaslak thi?bazati khod syed ali termizi ki maktobat (tazkiratul abrar wal ashrar)si to ye zahir hi awar ye aik haqeeqat hi ki woh mowahhid thi.awar sunniulmaslak thi awar aon ki baad jitni bhi oun ki awlad mi gozri hain sab sunni thi.syed abdul wahab (shalbandi)syed qasim(peer kali swat)syed hassan(kodai swat)ais tarah jo baad mi thi woh sab.syed akbar shah of sithana jo ki swat awar buner ki hakim bhi gozri hain woh syed ahmad awar sha ismail ki pakki sathi thi awar jan wo mal oun ki tahreek par qurban ki tha.
Beta beshak tammam key tammam pak zuriyat key phal Shiane Ali sey wabista hein. bulkey shia tou sadat key peroukar ka nam hey…… lehaza yeh kehna key koi sunni syed tha tou yeh darust na hey….. Jin logoun ney Banu Umuyyah aur Banu Abbas key adwar mein waqti tour per taqiyah kiya aur Arabs sey hijrat ki voh bhi bad mein jahan bhi muqeem huvey taqiyyah sey bahir agay aur zahir hou ker Shia syed hei rahey.
Sunni mazhab tou Immam Jaffar-ul-Sadiq (as) key shagirdoun ney shuruh kiya aur Sadat tou Immam Ali (aj)sey challi Aati hey….jo sub hei Shiane Ali (aj) hei they. Han Pakistan aur Hindustan ya Afghanistan mein ager koi Sunni Syed bunta raha tou uss ka Sadat sey koi ta’alouq na tha voh Syed bun bethey Syed they nahi……
meri khayal mi ais bari mi aap si certificate lini ki zaroorat nahi hi.tareekh hum ni bhi padhi hi ki shia ka silsils kahan si shurou howa awar kion howa.syed banta nahi hi pida hota hi .ais leye aap si guzarish hi ki khud jo bhi ho bani raho likin kisi ko syed ka certificate dina tumhari bas ki baat nahi awar na zaroorat hi ki tum certificate do.zara ye to batain ki shia ka tareekh kahan si shuro hota hi?
Aap ki taalimat ka faraq hy verna aap essa sawal na kertey……rahi shia ki tarikh tu yeh aap key buss ki bat nahi kyun key aap surah Al=Hijjr ki ayat no 10 ki tarikh sey na waqif hein. Shia Ruhoun mein Addam(as) sey 2000 saal qabl bany ……aur Qur’an mein Shia-ul-Avalien kehlay……..Yeh bhi yad rahy key Adam (as) sey qabl jo 2000 sal hyn unka aik din hamara 1000 saal huta hy….umeed hy aap ki purri tassali hugai hugi.
i have a shjra but i’m confused, kindly correct me, i m the son of Pir baba bunair swat, but two shjras avaiable at the shrine of pir baba, one a stone (Katba) in which, from pir baba to 21 number syed abdur raheem, syed mehmood makki, syed muhammad samar kandi, syed ali al naqi..
and another shajra clain that syed mehmood makki, syed ali akbar, imam hasan askari, syed ali al naqi,
plz tell me which one is correct or provide me original plz
i m very thankful to you
Sallamu Alaykum,
Is there any Bhakri Naqvi Sayeds here who have their Shajra they can share ?
I would like to introduce myself – my name is Syed Subtain Hussain Termizi belong to Rustam, Mardan and grandson of Hazrat Ali Shah Pir Baba Termizi (Bunir, Swat). I have number of Termizi and Bukhari Saddat Qalmi Shajray and want to share but also to verify in the Pir Baba few names are to discuss from Syed Mahmood Makki to Imam Ali Naqvi A.S.
my cell no and email address for your information to contact you for a meeting
you can submit your reply on email akbarmono19@hotmail.com and you may know that Qadri are not syed according to our records of True Shijra. Qadri’s are from Abdul Qadir Jillani of Baghdad-Iraq. In Iraq every one knows that he was not a true Syed as well as he was an enemy of Imam ELY(aj) and his holy seed. Please take care and research on this issue if you can. You can send your reply on my email given above. A personal meeting is not possible in these days.
It very hurting to hear from you so harsh words for Sheikh Abdul Qadir jillani, he was syed, your shajjarah is not the book of Allah. So keep your shajjrah with yourself if you do not accept sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani syed. And one more thing Ahle Bait e Rasool (SAW) were sunnies not shias.
Don’t worry some time harsh words could change a life, Truth is not honey. It is for your kind information that Qur’an in 15:10 has clearly mentioned that every Prophet was sent from Shia-ul-Avalina and in 15:13 it is mentioned that every Sunni will not take Iman as it was the past practice of Sunnah ul Avalina……More over, Qur’an has clearly mentioned that Hz: Ibrahim (as) was also Shia and Musa (as) was Shia. Be careful that it is also mentioned in Qur’an that Hazur (saw) have said that I ‘ll follow the creed of Ibrahim (as).
Moreover, it shows that you have no knowledge of your own faith…..Sunnah now the days are from 4 Sunnah Immam and they were the student of our 6th Immam Jaffar-ul-Sadiq (aj). Then they have been placed as Sunnah Immam in front of our holy and divine Immam. These Sunnies are even not in Karbala…….50 years after Hazur (saw). In the time of Hazur there were only 2 groups. Fariqun Hudda V/S Fariqun Zallala.(Qur’an 7:27) Now Shiane ELY(aj) V/S Shiane Muaviah (lanah) which was of Fariqun Huda and Fariqun Zallala? Abubakr,Ummer and Usman were shia as well, as these 4 Sunnah Immam and 4 Fariq of Sunnah were not even born at that time.
If you need to know more then read “Tarikhe Islam” written by:Bashir Ahmed Tammana a sunni writer and the official book of Syllabus for Punjab University, Lahore. Which also certified that in the time of Hazur (saww) there was only 2 Farik Shia ELY(aj) V/S Shia Muaviah (lanah). Now you can decide where the Prophet was and what was his faith? When Sunnah is already rejected by Qur’an at 15:13 so be careful in your faith and find the truth before you die………..
dear asghar shsh assalamoalikum
thanks for a true and straight comments. i my self belong to sadat of buner. no one of ahlul bait were shia it is true.we alla sadat of buner are sunnies.no one of them are shia neither our great grand father in buner SYED ALI TERMIZI was shia. check his book (تذكرة الابرار والاشرار). thanks once again
Every Prophet was shia and every divine ones our Kule Jallalien were shia and not Sunnies……Sunnies are non beleivers…La-Youminoun Qur’an Surah Al=Hijjr 15:13……Every Syed is a divine seed and all our Holy Ahlyl-Beit were only shia…….Every sunni claiming to be a Syed is not true syed and he must have to provide his Shijra in this regard when there is an issue of true Syed. Morevover, Boneri sadat are not the true sadat as their shijra is not valid and have no link with our great forefathers the true lineage of Immam ELI (AJ).
Dear Asghar
I have the book (تذكرة الابرار والاشرار in Farsi published in 1843) written “Akhund Darweza Baba” sunni Mulvi and he was Murid of Pirbaba Sahib. But there is no mentioned anywhere that Pirbaba was “Shia or Sunni”. I think he was belong to his grand grand father Hazrat Muhammad Noor Bakhash (Ray, Iran) Lineage “Silsila Noorbakhshia Kibrawiya”.
(واللہ اعلم)
kindly provide me the saajra, i m alos grandson of Pir baba, i have confusion about shajra, one claim that after ali naqi, and then hasan askri,
another claim taht, after ali naqi, syed muhammad samarkandi plz provide me
Salam my name is Qasim Shah .
Syed Ali ghawas Termezi was our family member but not sure how we link with him. I think he is my dada’s dada. My dada’s name was Ishaq Shah. And my father’s name is Mubarak Shah. Can someone help me with it??
my name zafar ali from haripur hazara kpk i m termizi syed my family tree belongs to peer baba swat
i m writting a research book on history of termizi sadat if u want to share anything about our family history plz contact 923326004926or mail me
yeh konsi baat hoi ki aap ki bas ki baat nahi bora laga haqeeqat ais leye? janab sorai hijar zara aap bhi padhin ghour si awar logon ko missguide mat karin haan agar aap ka alag sorai hijar hi to woh alag baat hi nahi to quran mi shia ka zikar kahin nahi hi. zara yeh hazrat jo aap ki site per aati hain mi oun si bhi darkhwast karonga ki aap log khud kion quran nahi padhti . rahi baat certificate ki to aap koun hoti hain certificate dini wala? mohtaram zara haqeeqat ki taraf aayen awar awaz aaye wali baaton ko chodin.
you say boneri sadat are not true sadat . we the boneri sadat do not acknowlege your shajara.and also you as false syed.you have no authority to declear someone non sadat. dikho ALLAH si daro kionki aik na aik din ous ki pas bhi jana hi.
jannab sadaat e naqvi ul tirmizi dokohvii jin ki taqreeban 200 saal purrani book jo unke apnay buzurg hafiz syed abdul samad urf qudrat ullah sahab ne likhi thi ke mutaabiq sadaat e tirmizi naqvi dokohvii ke jadd e amjad syed khairuddin tirmizi indaazan 1459 ya phir 1463 issawi mein bahlol lodhi aur tatar lodhi ki dawat pe tirmiz se hijrat karr ke hindustan jalandhar ayey thay aur jalandhar se 2 kilometer ke fasla pe aik gaoon abaad hua jiska naam hi pehlay dokoha sadaat thaa jo aaj kall abb dakoha kehlata hai.Iss kitaab ke mutaabiq tirmizi sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ka shajra e nasab uupar ja ke syed jafar sani iben imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se milta hai.Dunnia mein aaj takk aisee koii kitaab hummaray ilm mein nahin ke jismein syed imam zadeh jafar sani ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam ke ilawa kabhee kissi aur imam zaday ke sath sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ka shajra e nasab kissi muhaqqiq ne jora ho.Khudd sadaate dokoha jalandhar ki mashuur rivayat ke mutabiq bhee yeh sabb tirmizi naqvi hi kehlatay ayey hain.Lekin syed khairuddin tirmizi ra ke jo parr dada thay yaani syed khairuddin tirmizi ibne syed izzuddun ibne syed fakhruddin ibne syed mehmood tirmizi.In syed mehmood tirmizi ke mutalliq to hafiz syed abdul samad qudratullah aur sadaate dokoha ke shajron mein yeh likha milta hai ke yeh apnay zamana mein qutab e zaman thay lekin syed emhmood tirmizi se uupar shajra imam zaday se jortay huay shadeed ikhtelafaat huay hain.Riaz ul ansaab al maroof gulzar e naqi syed maqsood naqvi multani railway officer aur anwaar us sadaat gulistan e fatima syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii bhaakar walay in donon kutab mein sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ke shajra maujud thay aur aaj takk maujud hain.Inke ilawa bhee shayad inse bhee qadeem kuch kuttab mein sadaate dokoha jalandhar ke shajray maujud thay ikhtelaafat ke sath.Aik aur baat hairankun yeh hai ke syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii sahab ne to sadat e dokoha ka tazkira shayad aik se ziyada jagghon pe kia thaa,aur unhon ne to syed mehmood tirmizi aur syed khairuddin tirmizi k sath apnay zaati shajra yaani syed ahmed tokhta tirmizi mochi darwaza lahorii ra aur unke aba o ajdaad ke shadi ke silsilay bhee zahir kiyay thay.Lekin jabb in buzurgon ke jinke rishtay naatay aur jinki auladon ke nikah aapis mein zaahir kiyey gayey ki dates jo tareekh se maloom huii hain ko compare kia jayey to yeh periods match nahin kartay.Abb maloom nahin ke syed ahmed tokhta tirmizi abidi aulad e imam zada hussain al asghar ra bin imam zain ul abideen alaihis sallam ra syed khairuddin naqvi tirmizi ra dokohvii ki rishtay dariii kis tarrah thee aur kia rishtedaari theee.Kyunke yeh imkaan mujhay to nahin nazzar ataa ke syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii ne baghair kissi rivayat ke hi khawah makhwaah sadaate dokoha naqvi tirmizi se apnay nanhiyaal ka rishta jorlia ho,aur woh bhee bila wajjah.Iske ilawa aik aur baat ke is waqt hummaree tehkeek aur maloomat ke mutabiq iss dunnia mein sirf sadaate dokoha jalandhar woh syed hain ke jo tirmiz se nisbat jorrtay hain aur imam ali naqi alaihis sallam ki aulad honay ka daawa bhee kartay haina ur hamesha se yeh naqvi hi mashoor rahay.Inke ilawa aik behadd mashuur syed buzurg guzzray hain jinki shohrat yaqeenan is daur mein sadaate dokoha ke ajdaad se bhee bohat ziyada hai aur woh thay syed ali ghawwas tirmizi pir baba bonerii ra.Inke qadeem sajron mein bhee ikhtelaaf raha ke kuch to syed imam zada hussain al asghar ibne imam zain ul abideen alaihis sallam se jortay rhaya lekin kuch imam zadeh syed muhammad ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se bhee jorrtay rahay jabke kuch imam zaday jafar sani ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se bhee jortay rahay,aur kuch imam hassan askari alaihis sallam se kuch rivayaton mein mansoob aik betay syed abdullah ali akbar maHDI se bhee shajray jortay rahay.Sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ke bhee kuch buzurgon ne sadaat e boner ke muhaqqiqin ki tehkikat se mutasir ho ke hi apnay shajray imam zada jafar sani ibne ima ali naqi alaihis sallam ke ilawa kuch deegar imam zadon ke sath joray halanke baraadree mein koii qadeem rivayat aisee harrgiz na thee.Aaap muhaqqiqeen se guzzarish hai ke tirmizi sadaat e naqvi dokohvii tirmizi sadaat e naqvi bonerii aur tirmizii sadaat e hussaini aulad e ahmed tokhtaa ra ke mutalliq tehkeek kijyey.
hum mukamal tehqiq k bad hi keh rahy hyn ki boneri sadat ka sadat sey koi taaluq nhi yeh khud sakhta shijra hey jiss ka Humarey Aaima sey koi taaluq nahi
The said Shijra shown here is totally false and can not be accepted as it is incomplete with the names of missing forefathers / nation’s gap….known to every shijra holders in Sadat.
hey, i am Syed Abid Shah, from District Tor Ghar, (Kala Dhaka) Hazara Division. I am a Trimzi Syed, and from the chain of Pir Baba Bunir. Our chain proceeds from Grand son of Pir baba named Syed Abdullah(Bunir) S/o Syed Muhammad Mustafa Shah S/o Syed Ali Shah(Pir Baba.) i want to know about history of any decendents of Imam Hassan Askari and his Son Imam Mehdi, as Imam Al naqi sons were having Imam jaffar Sani and Hassan Askari. THANKS
sorry brother the said boneri sadat are not from our lineage of sadat and it was already disclosed, so we are not allowed to release any information about the said lineage from our major shijrahs of sadat.
you are right they are not from your linage and we also want to be not from your linage (الحمدللله)tanks to ALLAH we are not from your linage . we are proud of .as you are told before any kind of certificate is not required from you. coz the king of jordan is also not syed the amir of hijaz hussain bin ali is not syed through your point of view coz they are not shia. so keep your certificates with you. we do not acknowledge you as authority.and my friend we have read the history . who is who it is clear.
Thanks for your comments on this blog……..we appreciate your negative approach on this subject……….can you explain why Hz:Yahya (aj) was a Syed according to holy Qur’an……? And what was the lineage being a Syed…….you must keep in mind that Zakrya was not a Syed in his lineage as well. And do you believe that Hz:Yahya (aj) was a Sunni in faith being a Syed…?
thanks for asking this question do you know what is the meaning of SYED in arabic? HAZRAT BILAL was from africa and had no connection even with arabs but was called syed why? what you mean from SYED? read the arabic grammar and then reply.(سيدا و حصورا) i understand this but please read the full content .and what is the meaning of (شيعا الاولين) i understand that but you have not read the full QURAN and that is limited up to reading only not the meaning and tafseer . ist of all learn the meaning of SYED. TAHT IS THE PROBLEM FATHER IS NOT SYED AND SON IS SYED. it is your doctorine father is not syed and son is syed a lot of questions arising from this statement. it is not negative approach as you deem just learn arabic and then you will know.
Once again you have no knowledge of Quran, otherwise you must know that sadat is refereed to shijra e tayyiba and as well as zurriyete tayyiba / divine and holy descendants…….Moreover, Hz: Bilal Habshi never called himself as Syed……..these false guidance is provided by the enemies of Quran and Islam. And the Anti Muslims have published these kinds of titles of Syed to every one of whom they like and love………..and ruined the teachings of Islam and Quran.
My name is Subtain Hussain and belong to Hazrat Syed Ali Shah (Pir Baba). Also owner of Pir Baba website. Alhamdulellah Saddat Tarmizi are truly SADDAT if someone are spiritual and they met with Saddat Termizi he will smell the blood of Rassullah Sawallahu Alahay wasalm internally (Batini). We belong to a spiritual family and discuss here to correct or identify missing names in our Shajara as per your research.
Once I have contact you via phone and email and time fix to set and discusses our Shajara and books we have but unfortunately at that time your phone was Off then comeback to Islamabad from Pindi.
I knows many people/family belong to Tarmizi Saddat are “Sunni” and “Shaia” Maslak and it does not means both are not are Saddat. They are true Saddat just way of thought and follower different.
My way of thought are not “Sunni” or “Shia” but belong to Pir Baba (Syed Ali Termizi) real way “Tasuf/Suffizam” and our Imam is Imam Ali (A.S) this not means I am not belong to Saddat Termizi.
I am still ready to meet you and discuss our Termizi Shajara and books to identify/correct missing name. If you can give me time I will come to meet you anywhere.
Thanks for your comments. The issue is not sunni or shia at present with your reply but sadat as said……A syed of saddat is a matter of descendant ship and according to holy Quran it is referred to a divine and pure holy seed / descendantship called Zurriyete Tayyiba. As well as the holy zurriyete / descendants of Rub ul Ealimien like, Hz: Yahya (AJ) is called Syed through the holy and pure zurriyet of Lord Himself and not of Hz: Zakrya (as). Hz: Zakriya was not syed in zurriyet.
The true lineage of every syed is centrally connected with our Lord ELY (AJ), but its 12 colors are for an introduction of that lineage………Bonneri Shijra was not correctly managed and completed in 1400 years then how it could be completed now with its gap and lineage correction?
Therefore, the so called shijra of boneri sadat is completely invalid and any effort to revive it, within or with any other color of sadat at this stage will be an act of a manifested shirk.
Further in it, please note that the faith of our Lord Most High himself and of every Prophet / Messenger or Divine ones was Shia and not Sunni…….the Sunnies were called non believers “La youminun” at Quran Surah Al- Hajjr 15:13, with many other manifested holy Verses of Quran. And opposite of sunnies the shias were known as true believers at Quran 15:10 with many other verses……..Our divine ones (Allah) said:
“We have submitted every missal /example in this Quran”.
Therefore, it is not possible that every one, following his forefather’s unbelieving branch can be considered in holy and divine lineage / zurriyet of Divine ones. Its true guidance of holy Quran and cannot be refused by any Quran reader.
عباس صاحب
اپ کا کومنٹس دیکھ کر بڑا مایوس ہوا۔
سب سے پہلے اپ کو بتاوں کہ جو بندہ وعدہ کرے اس کو پورا کرے ۔ اپ نے جگہ اور ٹایم بتایا خود لیکن مقررہ وقت پر اپ نے فون بندکیا تھا اور میں ایک گھنٹہ پنڈی میں پھرتا رہا جو اپ کی وعدہ کی پہلی خلاف ورزی تھی۔ کیا ایک سید کیلئے یہ جائز ھے جو یہ دعوہ کرتا رہے کہ وہ ہی سب سے سچا سید اور وعدے کا پابند نہ ہو۔
اپ کو بتاتا چلوں کہ جسطرح اپ سمجھتے ہیں کہ اپ کا بیٹا ایک صحیح سید ہے تو اس طرح اللہ کا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ ہمیں اپنے سید ہو نے میں کو ئی شک نہیں۔ میرے دادا کو حضورصلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم نے اپنا بیٹا کہا ہے اور وہ روحانی ہر وقت حضوری میں رہتے تھے اور جناب سیدہ فاطمہ زہرہ نے اپنا بیٹا کہا ہے۔تما م پحتونحوا میں کوئی بھی شخص سنے کہ یہ پیربابا رح کی اولاد ہے تو دعا کیلئے دوڑتے ہیں اور ایک اپ ہے کہ ایک بڑے ولی اللہ اور شہنشاہ خراساں کو نعوذباللہ اھل سادات سے خارج سمجھتے ہیں ۔ معافی چاہونگا کہ یا تو اپ خارجی سوچ رکھتے ہیں یا صرف بغض کی بنیاد پر کہ یہ سید سنی کیوں ہیں؟
میں اب بھی ملاقات کیلئے تیار ہوں اگر اپ اپنے دعوے میں سچے ہیں تو میں بھی حضور کی نگاہ کرم ، مولا علیؑ کے صدقے، نگارباباجی اور پیربابارحمتہ اللہ علیہ کے اجازت سے مناظرے کیلئے تیار ہوں کہ اپ کو بتاوں کہ ہم ترمیذی سادات اصلی امام حسینؑ کے اولاد ہیں کہ نہیں اس میں جھگڑے کی کوئی بات نہیں صرف معلومات شیئر کرنا ہے۔
ملاقات کیلئے اپ خود جگہ بتایءں یا میری رہائشگاہ اسلام اباد تشریف لایءں اور کھانے کی بھی دعوت دیتا ہوں۔ میں اپنے ترمیذی اھل سادات کو نصیحت کرتاہوں کہ مہربانی کرکے کومنٹس میں کوئی گالی یا سخت الفاظ لکھنے کی ضرورت نہیں کیونکہ ہم لوگوں کو سادات کی لسٹ سے کوئی نہیں نکال سکتا کیونکہ حضور پاک کی خون مبارک شکر ہے ہم ہر سید کے خون میں دوڑ رہا ہے۔
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Syed Abbas 06:21
To: Subtain Hussain Syed Qadri
Sallamun Alaikum, Ya Ely (aj) maddad,
Afsus hy ap ki souch per ap khud ko oulade Hussain (aj) bhi kehty hein aur phr sunni huny per fakher bhi kerty hein……..? Sabit hugya key ap Quran sey bhi ghafil hyn………….raha ap ka munazrey ka challenge tu mujhy tu qabul hey…………Sadat Rub key banun ko bhi kehty hyn……..aur yeh Allah key Anwar ka issue hy…………kiya aap Quran key mutabiq Hz: Imam Mahdi (aj) ko Allah ka baqiya taslim kerty hu? aur kiya ap unko 11th Imam Hassan Askari (aj) ka beta taslim kerty hein…………..Unky waqte maloum per Zahur ko taslim kerty hein? aur kya apko Kitabe Munir ka elm hy jiss mn Sadat ki authority ko byan kiya gya hy……….aur uss Kitabe Munir sey lailmi per insan syed tu kiya Musalman bhi nhi rehta……..ager ap ny yeh chand sawal ky jawab sahih dey diye tu ap na sunni rahein gy na shia……….bulky mono hu jaien gy……..aur phr merey shagird bhi bun jaien gy……….verna Muslim bhi na rahyn gy……..eis liye mujhy challenge kerny sey pehly …….yh jawab tehrir ker dein. taky ap ki Qurani taalimat ki bunyadi taalim ka tu elm husaky……….verna ap jahil krar paou gy aur ap sey mazid guftagu besud hugi………..ager ap ky jawab darust huvy tu phir jub bhi jahan bhi kahyn gy munazira bhi hu jay ga aur sunni shia aur sadat ka bhi elm hujay ga.
I came to my village since Saturday from Islamabad and due to lack of internet cannt access to my email but today out side from village to got your email.
Ajab hay ke ap ko mera Aqeeda meray email ya pirbaba website say maloom na hu saka.
May nay kab Sunniat par fahar kia hay. May na Sunni hun awr na Shia balke mera “IMAM” MolaAli alah salam awr on ke zuriat hay jes say mery zuriat paiwasta hay.
Munaziray ka lafaz may nay eslay liqa ke ap bat shoro karay.
Answer:
1: Mera aqeeda awr eman hay ke Imam Saidina Mahdi alah salam Al Qayam jo Imam Hassan Askaray ka baita hay awr Sarman Raye ghar may Allah kay hukam say Ghaib huwa awr Allah kay hukam say Zohoor farmayangay. Meri duwa ha ke mara ya meri olad ka nam un fehlay 313 momeneen may shamel hu ju onkay hat par Bait farmayangay.
2: Kitab Munir ko ma Imam Ali alhay salam ko samajta hun lekn pura elam say waqif nahe hun. Awr umaid hay ke Mola kay seenay mubarak say munawar hu jawonga jesa ke on ke Mulaqat say faizyab hun.
3: Raha sawal muslman huna ya na huna tu Bhaye sab chonkay hamaray hun may Huzoor Pak Swallaho Alahay Wasalam ka hun hay tu ham par Dozah ke Aag haram hay.
Wasalam
sDear Sibtain Sb.
Apka jawab vohi hey jiss ka mujhy pehly hi andaza tha………..app ka aqeeda Sunni nahi yeh tu sabit hugya……kyun key Sunni Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Imam Hassan Askari(AJ) ka beta nahi mantey. Lehaza acha huva jo aap ney Sunni huney ka inkar ker diya ub aap unko sadat mein kesey lou gy jin ko apny jad ki assal ka pata nhi….ub raha sawal no 2 tu ap ny taslim kiya key Imam Mehdi (AJ) ka zahur huga tu yeh bhi sabit kerta hey key ap ……Zahure Imam (AJ) ko mantey hu jo key phir Sunni nahi manta…..tu ap sunni bhi nahi hu…….ap key sarey jawab shia aqeeda valey hein lakin ap Shia huna passand nahi kerty………baher hal app ney yeh jawab nahi diya key ap Quran ki ayat key mutabiq Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Allah ka Baqiya mantey hu ya nahi…..? Yeh bhi bata dein……..
Question no 2 mein yeh bhi pucha gya tha key ………. Allah key barey jo bhi Mujadilla kerta hey bagheir ELm. Hadayat, Kitabe Munir key voh Kul Shiyatien ka murid hu jata hy……….(Quran 22:8 and 22:3)……App ny jawab dya key Kitabe Munir Moula ELY ko samjhtey hein ……..tu zara Surah Fatir 35 ki ayat no 25 (Surah35:Ayat25) perh lein jiss sey sabit hey key yeh pichley Ambya key sath un key dour mein nazil hui……..tu ub apko tu eis ka elm nahi …….tu yeh bhi nahi jantey key uss ka nam kiya hey aur uss Kitab mein kon si ayat hey jiss ney Allah samjhaya aur bataya hey…..lehaza sabit huva key apka iman Allah per nahi hey……bilkul essey hi jessey apkey pichley bazurgun ka bhi nahi tha……..tu jub Apko Allah ka hi elm nahi tu app ka Islam hi na mukamal huva…..aap apni touheed ka pata karein………phr baad mein iman ki bat hugi……Momin voh hey jiss ka iman 19 key addad sey upgrade huta hey…..(al Quran)….ub 19 kiya hey ap ko kiya elm….? tu beta munazra kya karu gey…..? App tu Qur’an ki Alif Ba ko bhi nahi jantey….?
Ub mazid apko siraf itna hi kehna chahun ga key bat kerney sey pehley soucha karu……………aur Syed kiya huta hey …..? Uss ka aqeeda kiya huna chahye….? uss ko Allah kin ko aur kitney anwar ko kehna chahye……..Allah Nourun Ela Nourien / Lights above the Lights ko kaha gya hey aur yeh 2 group of lights /Anwar kon kon hein? ein key nam kiya kiya hein….? jub tak yeh sub elm na hu…..apka Iman Allah per nahi huta…….Aur Jiss ka iman Allah per na hu tu voh Muslim bhi nahi huta…..Syed huna tu bohat dur ki bat hey…………Umeed hey app ein sub batun per ghour karein gey aur HAQ talash karein gey.
Dear Abbass sab
Waiting comments for my last reply on 21 Sep 2015.
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Syed Abbas 06:21
To: Subtain Hussain Syed Qadri
Sallamun Alaikum, Ya Ely (aj) maddad,
Afsus hy ap ki souch per ap khud ko oulade Hussain (aj) bhi kehty hein aur phr sunni huny per fakher bhi kerty hein……..? Sabit hugya key ap Quran sey bhi ghafil hyn………….raha ap ka munazrey ka challenge tu mujhy tu qabul hey…………Sadat Rub key banun ko bhi kehty hyn……..aur yeh Allah key Anwar ka issue hy…………kiya aap Quran key mutabiq Hz: Imam Mahdi (aj) ko Allah ka baqiya taslim kerty hu? aur kiya ap unko 11th Imam Hassan Askari (aj) ka beta taslim kerty hein…………..Unky waqte maloum per Zahur ko taslim kerty hein? aur kya apko Kitabe Munir ka elm hy jiss mn Sadat ki authority ko byan kiya gya hy……….aur uss Kitabe Munir sey lailmi per insan syed tu kiya Musalman bhi nhi rehta……..ager ap ny yeh chand sawal ky jawab sahih dey diye tu ap na sunni rahein gy na shia……….bulky mono hu jaien gy……..aur phr merey shagird bhi bun jaien gy……….verna Muslim bhi na rahyn gy……..eis liye mujhy challenge kerny sey pehly …….yh jawab tehrir ker dein. taky ap ki Qurani taalimat ki bunyadi taalim ka tu elm husaky……….verna ap jahil krar paou gy aur ap sey mazid guftagu besud hugi………..ager ap ky jawab darust huvy tu phir jub bhi jahan bhi kahyn gy munazira bhi hu jay ga aur sunni shia aur sadat ka bhi elm hujay ga……………….yh email bhi apko bheij dei hy jis ki copy yh paste ker raha hun…………….umeed hy jald jawab dyn gy.
This is my 3rd reply but yet not any comments from your side
“Ajab hay ke ap ko mera Aqeeda meray email ya pirbaba website say maloom na hu saka.
May nay kab Sunniat par fahar kia hay. May na Sunni hun awr na Shia balke mera “IMAM” MolaAli alah salam awr on ke zuriat hay jes say mery zuriat paiwasta hay.
Munaziray ka lafaz may nay eslay liqa ke ap bat shoro karay.
Answer:
1: Mera aqeeda awr eman hay ke Imam Saidina Mahdi alah salam Al Qayam jo Imam Hassan Askaray ka baita hay awr Sarman Raye ghar may Allah kay hukam say Ghaib huwa awr Allah kay hukam say Zohoor farmayangay. Meri duwa ha ke mara ya meri olad ka nam un fehlay 313 momeneen may shamel hu ju onkay hat par Bait farmayangay.
2: Kitab Munir ko ma Imam Ali alhay salam kay Sena mubarak ko samajta hun jo Huzoor (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) kay Senay mubarak say Munawar hay. Such ya hay ke puray elam say waqif nahe hun. Awr umaid hay ke Mola kay seenay mubarak say munawar hu jawonga jesa ke on ke Mulaqat say faizyab hun.
3: Raha sawal muslman huna ya na huna tu Bhaye sab chonkay hamaray hun may Huzoor Pak Swallaho Alahay Wasalam ka hun hay tu ham par Dozah ke Aag haram hay.”
Wasalam
sDear Sibtain Sb.
Apka jawab vohi hey jiss ka mujhy pehly hi andaza tha………..app ka aqeeda Sunni nahi yeh tu sabit hugya……kyun key Sunni Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Imam Hassan Askari(AJ) ka beta nahi mantey. Lehaza acha huva jo aap ney Sunni huney ka inkar ker diya ub aap unko sadat mein kesey lou gy jin ko apny jad ki assal ka pata nhi….ub raha sawal no 2 tu ap ny taslim kiya key Imam Mehdi (AJ) ka zahur huga tu yeh bhi sabit kerta hey key ap ……Zahure Imam (AJ) ko mantey hu jo key phir Sunni nahi manta…..tu ap sunni bhi nahi hu…….ap key sarey jawab shia aqeeda valey hein lakin ap Shia huna passand nahi kerty………baher hal app ney yeh jawab nahi diya key ap Quran ki ayat key mutabiq Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Allah ka Baqiya mantey hu ya nahi…..? Yeh bhi bata dein……..
Question no 2 mein yeh bhi pucha gya tha key ………. Allah key barey jo bhi Mujadilla kerta hey bagheir ELm. Hadayat, Kitabe Munir key voh Kul Shiyatien ka murid hu jata hy……….(Quran 22:8 and 22:3)……App ny jawab dya key Kitabe Munir Moula ELY ko samjhtey hein ……..tu zara Surah Fatir 35 ki ayat no 25 (Surah35:Ayat25) perh lein jiss sey sabit hey key yeh pichley Ambya key sath un key dour mein nazil hui……..tu ub apko tu eis ka elm nahi …….tu yeh bhi nahi jantey key uss ka nam kiya hey aur uss Kitab mein kon si ayat hey jiss ney Allah samjhaya aur bataya hey…..lehaza sabit huva key apka iman Allah per nahi hey……bilkul essey hi jessey apkey pichley bazurgun ka bhi nahi tha……..tu jub Apko Allah ka hi elm nahi tu app ka Islam hi na mukamal huva…..aap apni touheed ka pata karein………phr baad mein iman ki bat hugi……Momin voh hey jiss ka iman 19 key addad sey upgrade huta hey…..(al Quran)….ub 19 kiya hey ap ko kiya elm….? tu beta munazra kya karu gey…..? App tu Qur’an ki Alif Ba ko bhi nahi jantey….?
Ub mazid apko siraf itna hi kehna chahun ga key bat kerney sey pehley soucha karu……………aur Syed kiya huta hey …..? Uss ka aqeeda kiya huna chahye….? uss ko Allah kin ko aur kitney anwar ko kehna chahye……..Allah Nourun Ela Nourien / Lights above the Lights ko kaha gya hey aur yeh 2 group of lights /Anwar kon kon hein? ein key nam kiya kiya hein….? jub tak yeh sub elm na hu…..apka Iman Allah per nahi huta…….Aur Jiss ka iman Allah per na hu tu voh Muslim bhi nahi huta…..Syed huna tu bohat dur ki bat hey…………Umeed hey app ein sub batun per ghour karein gey aur HAQ talash karein gey.
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کر
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کروں۔
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
وسلام
Sibtain sb,
Sallamun Allaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Maddad,
Beta na koi jeeta aur na hi koi hara hum sub Anwar sey elm hasil kertey hein aur Anwar hi Quran mein baar baar yad kervatey hein key hum jissey chahtey hein elm sey nawaztey hein……..yehi Anwar Zabur mein doors of knowledge kehlatey hein……..kash key mulla ko yh khaber hu jay aur voh Muslim bun sakey…..momin huna tu phir uss key bhi baad ki baat hey………Aap ka sara aqeeda shia wala hey…….lehaza app kyun key yeh nhi jantey key Allah bhi shia hi hey eis liye app abhi eis issue sey la ILM hein. Beta aap ney HAQ ko pehley hi taslim ker rakha hey bus masla siraf yeh hey key aap ko bhi Abhi Allah ka elm nahi……..jiss din aap ko Quran wala Allah samjh agya aur Kitabe Munir ki ayat ka elm hu gya baqi sara issue bhi clear hu jay ga………..aur uss din yeh bhi man jaien gey key 1200 saal ka her mulla mufakir Quran sey farigh hey aur uss ka Allah per iman hi na tha……….kyun key phir Kitabe Munir ko perh ker aap ki ankhein khul jaien gi aur aap sarey bazurgun ko bhul jaien gey ……..kissi ka jo bhi claim hu sub jhuta nazar aye ga jub uss ka Islam aur Iman duno hi Quran sey bahir hu gay……..aap 5 tarikh key baad jub chahein mujh sey rabita ker key mill lein aur Kitabe Munir ko bhi perny ka muqa milley ga jo 1200 saal key kissi mulla ko naseeb hi na husaka……Mola aap ki rehberi fermain ameen. Allah ki teen degryan hein…Allah, Allaho Akbar, Allah ul Kabir………..Allah aik group ka taaruf hey…..phir Allah o Akbar aik essi hasti hey jo khud nurri makhluq hey aur 19 Anwar mein 2nd command hey………aur phir yeh 19 Anwar jub tahlil hu ker yakja hutey hein tu ein ko Waheed huna bhi kehtey hein,….. yani 19 Ahad mill ker aik wahid bunta hey aur aik wahid mein 19 Ahad hutey hein …..Aur waheed 19 ahad key tahlil huney ko kehtey hein.19 Ahad of Anwar key eis yakja huney ko Touheed kaha gya hey…19 Anwar jub tehlil hu ker aik hasti mein jamma hutey hein to uss hasti ko Allah ul Kabir kehtey hein….Quran mein voh hasti Allah ul Aziem kehlati hey……..Sunni kabhi bhi Allah ul Eaziem per iman nahi lay ga……yeh hukme Quran hey………aur uss Allah ul Eaziem hasti ka nam Quran hi mein ELY-ul-Eaziem aur ELY-ul Kabir hey. Yeh 19 hi kyun aur koun? puss jiss ney ein 19 ko paa liya vh Quran ki ruh sey iman mein azafa vala hey…..aur vhi haqiqi momin hey…….yeh sub Quran ki batein hein ………lakin 1200 saal ka her mulla mufakir, pir murid sub farigh hein…….aur Kul shyatien key murid they aur hein…….yeh Quran ka faisla hey mera nhi………..any how dua go hun key mola aap ko zarur hadayat ki roushni dein ameen…………..aur aap jahalat key ghup andherun sey bahir ajaien….
Wassallam
S A A Naqvi
zurriyet ko yad karti ho awar ais aayet ko bhol rahi ho (يا ايها الناس انا خلقنا كم من ذكر وانثى وجعلنا كم شعوبا و قبائل لتعارفو ان اكرمكم عندالله اتقا كم) ais bari mi kia khayal hi?ALLAH ni jab bhi mokhatib kia hi ain alfaz si kia hi (يا ايها الناس او يا ايها الذين امنو) batain kitni bar (يا ايها السادة او يا ايها الابناء السادة ) si mokhatib kia hi aap to dawa karti hain ki sirf aap ko QURAAN ka ailam hi kisi awar ko nahi ais bari mi zara batain nahi to ais ko bhi delet karin kionki ais si pehli aap ni delet kar deya hi. islam aik haqeeqat hi ye awaz aaye per itimad nahi karta balki har cheez saf saf bayan kia gaya hi. (والسلام على من التبع الهدى)
Mr. Zakir Murad ….sadat ko hadi aur qazi buna ker khalaq kiya gya hy Quran 7:181……..bilkul vesey hi jesey qable shariyete Muhammad (saww)…..shariyete Musa (as) ki takmil key liye qoume Musa mein oulade Hz:Harun (as) ky betoun ko yhi duno mansab Hadi aur Qazi diye gay thy jiss ko tammam pichli kutube Illahiya mn byan bhi kiya gya aur taslim bhi kiya gya…………jis ka zikr Quran ny bhi 7:159 mein vazeh kiya……..lakin budbakht so called Muslims aj tak yh na jan saky ky yh duno mansab missle oulade Harun(as) bad Muhammad (saww) oulade Ely(aj) key hein…………..jinko Quran ney bar bar hadayat ki duty per mamur kiya hy……..sarey Musalman yh janty hein key Hazur aur Mola ELY (aj) ki missl Musa (as) va Harun (as)thy……….oulade sadat ko khas matti sey khalaq kiya gya aur insan ko aam matti sy. jiss ki wajah sey Adam Nuh Ibrahim and his descendants va Aale Imran ko baqi sub insanu per fazilat di gai hy……….ap Quran ko nhi samjhty tu eis mein kissi ka kya qasur……eis liye ainda fazul behas na karein…………..
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کروں۔
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
haan jab sahih jawab nahi ban pata ho to aus ko fazool bahas kih kar mamla tall dia jata hi. zara aun qurani aayat ko likh kar dikhni walon ko bata din na.naqvi sahib ni bhi to taarifin likihin hain likin jab woh khud batata hi ki mi ni quran nahi padha hi to phir bahas karna bekar hi.aap ni kahan si gunjayesh nikali ki khaqi khuda mi tafreeq hi zara oun qurani aayat ko likhin ni sirf numberoon ki hawala si baat nahi banigi.kab tak logon ko baghir saboot ki gumrah karogi.
agar noh asws ko khas mitti si khalq kia gaya to phir aus ka beta bhi to aisa hona chahye. likin ALLAH quran mi farmati hain انه ليس من اهلك ais leye ki ais ka amal ghir salih hi.jahan bhi lafz شيعا aata hi ais ko apni taraf si mansoob karti ho. arabi mi شيعا ka kia maani hain zara padhni waloon ko bataw na.jab ALLAH farmati hain ki ham ni tum ko انا خلقنا كم من ذكر و انثى و جعلناكم شعوبا و فبائل لتعارفو to kia tum per koi dosra quran autara gaya hi jahan tum ni khalq ki bari mi gunjayesh nikal li. islam دين فطرت hi ye bani banaye kahanion par nahi bana hi . zara ye aayat to qoute karin na jo aap ni likha hi .NOH asws ki beti ki bari mi kia khyal hi jab aos ka walid pighambar tha to beta kion nafarman howa?kia wohb aus khas mitti ka nahi bana tha jis ka sirf aap ko ilam hi baqi sab la ilam .jahan bhi lafz شيعا aaya apni taraf mansoob kia likin aagi الله الله خير سلا wahi aayat jis mi شيعا aaya hi zara qoute karki tarjuma likho na.7:159 ومن قوم موسى امة يهدون بالحق وبه يعدلون aayat no 7:181 وممن خلقنا امة يهدون بالحق وبه يعدلون yahan si aap kia sabith karna chahti hain zara tarjuma likh kar dikhni waloon ko bata din na ,kia ye aap ki bari mi nazil hoi hain ?shani nazool tarjuma awar tafseer likh kar bata din
SHIA used for every prophet in Quran 15:10 and the word SUNNY being a non believer at Quran Surah 15:13….Moreover, Shia means a deep lover it was SHUDDAI in previous scriptures of Hebrew with previous holy Prophets……..now you need to know further about verse 7:159 so it is clear that it was revealed for a special ummah which was in Qoume Musa…….so you may not know bit it was for the zuriyet of Hz:Haroun (as) and these two offices Hudda and Eaddl (Paish Imam and Qazi) was only for them and not for any one else in the law of Mosses………in the same way same these two offices was given to the sons of Mola ELY (AJ) from the law of Muhammad (saww) and verse 7:181 was revealed for zurriyet Imam ELY (aj) and that’s why Hazur have said that Haroun is in missle ELY(AJ) and for my missal was Musa (as)……..Huda and Qazi are these two holy offices and it can not be given to the sinful prople,,,,,because, a sinner is not allowed to give Hudda or to Judge a mankind if he himself is a sinner and convicted one for his sins.
aap ki ais post ki jawab mi QURAN HAKEEM ki sirf 2 aayat pish karta hoon. سنة من قد ارسلنا قبلك من رسلنا و لا تجد لسنتنا تحويلا. صدق الله العظيم ais mi tum kia karogiلسنتنا si murad kia hi awar ishara kis taraf hi?ab سنة ka maani kia hi tum to apni aap ko bohut bada arabi dan samajhti ho.jab tumhari pas khuli AAYAT moujood hain to phir apni marzi ki maani kion nikalti ho?تلك امة قد خلت لها ما كسبت و لكم ما كسبتم ولا تسئلون عما كانو يعملون. dosri aayat يا ايها الناس اتقو ربكم واخشو يوما لا يجزي والد عن ولده ولا مولود هو جاز عن والده شيئا ان وعدالله حق فلا تغرنكم الحيوة الدنيا ولا يغرنكم با لله الغرور ab ais ki aagi tumhari khud sakhta taweelat ka koi gunjayesh hi?zra sochiye jab tumhari pass tumhari رب ki khuli nishanian moujood hain to taweel kar ki sirf apni aap awar dosroon ko dhoka di rahi ho. pehli شيعا awar سنة ki lafzi maani sikh lo phir aakar baat karna.ab zara ouper likhi gaye aayat ki tarjuma likh din phir mi jano ki tum kitni pani mi ho
ab ye hoi na baat aap apni firqi ki hisab si kuch bhi kih din likin aalami islam ka ais si koi taaluq nahi hoga.kionki islam thos (solid) dalayel pish karta hi jo ki QURAN WA SUNNAT HI.jab koi bhi baat quran ni pesh ki ho phir dosri khialat bi maani ho jati hain. aap ka buhut buhut shukria ki aap ni man leya ki aap aik firqi ki hisab si bolti hain
NAQVI SADAT IN PAKISTAN 
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Posted on October 10, 2011 by elijah19
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Dear brother, Syed Ali-ul-Ahsan,
Salamun Alaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Madad.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat.
It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it. Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9).( “THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB WHOM I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH,ARE REQUESTING THAT THEY DONOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE CODES,SO UNLESS THEY ARE SURE WHAT THESE CODESD ARE ABOUT,THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THIS VERIFICATION.”)
Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord (THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB ARE REQUESTING YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT DO YOU BY SAYING THAT,I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord ).and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ).(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANMSAB SAY THAT THIS IS THE OLD BONERI SHAJRA,BUT THE ISSUE HERE WAS NOT OF SADATE BONER BUT IT WAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA SAYYIDAN JALANDHAR AULAD E SYED KHAIRUDDIN TIRMIZI MIRAN SAYYID KHAS DARVESH E CHARRAM POSH.SADAT E DOKOHA.NO SHAJRA OF SADAT E DOKOHA CONTAINS ANY OF THE ABOVE NAMES ABOVE SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,RATHER ALL THESE NAMES FROM SYED ISHAQ UP TO IMAM ALI NAQI ARE IN THE OLD SHAJRAS OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT,RATHER THE OLDEST SHAJRAS AND EVEN THE NOW ACCEPTED SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT WRITTEN ON THE GRAVE STOINE OF SYED ALI GHAWAS TIRMIZI BONERI IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT SHAJRA IS LINKED TO SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SON OF SYED IMAM ZADEH MUHAMMAD SO N OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM.
WHERE AS ALL OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA ARE AS FOLLOWS.
MEHMOOD TIRMIZI SON OF SYED AHMAD ABU YUSAF SON OF SYED ABDULLAH SON OF SYED ALI UL ASHQAR SON OF IMAM ZADEH JAFAR SANI SON OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM).
SO THE OBJECTION BY THE SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY IS THAT IT IS NOT YET PROVED FROM ANY QADEEM SHAJRA/OLD SHAJRA THAT THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E DOKOHA AND SADAT E BONER WAS ONE AND THE SAME SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,SO HOW CAN A SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI BECOME THE SAME FOR SADAT E DOKOHA,AND HERE THEY ALSO OBJECT THAT THE SHAJRA THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR SADAT E BONER EVEN THAT SHAJRA IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E BONER.
It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB OBJECT TAHT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SHER SAWWAR BHAKARI SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SHUJA THE SON IN LAW OF KING OF IRAN WAS THE FIRST NAQVI THAT CAME IN BHAKAR ROHRI AREA AND HE CAME FROM MASHAD.HE CANNOT BE THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E TERMEZ DOKOHA OR BONER.ADDITIONALLY THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI AND HE WAS NOT THE GRAND SAON OF SYED ABDULLAH)son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi(SCHOLARS CLAIM THAT IN NO SHAJRA SON OF SYED ABDULLAH BY THE NAME OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI IS GIVEN,SO HOW DID U COME TO KNOW THAT SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI WAS THE SON OF SYED ABDULLAH) son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ). It is further certified that Syed Abdullah Son of Syed Ali-ul-Ashqar has two sons namely Syed Ahmed Naqvi and Syed Muhammad Naqvi (latter settled in Samarqand, till Syed Mahmood Naqvi Son of Syed Muhammad Fakhruddin who was later called Trimzi Naqvi. The well known Bokhari Sadat from Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, districtt Bahawalpur – Pakistan are the descendants of Syed Ahmed Naqvi the other son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –ul- Ashqer the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ).
Therefore Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or not the descendants of Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, district Bahawalpur – Pakistan but they are the descendants of Syed Muhammad Naqvi Samarqandi son of Syed Ali-ul- Ashqar the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ). May Lord bless you all and keep you under His Great Mercy / Rehma (Immam ELY–AJ) and Grace/ Fazal (Muhammad –SAWW), Amen.
Prof Dr. Syed Akbar abbas Naqvi Bokhari.
YOU ARE KINDLY REQUESTED TO CLARIFY THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF VERIFICATION AND KINDLY RESPOND TO THE CRITICISM OF THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB,BECAUSE UNLESS ALL SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY ARE NOT SATISFIED,THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT BE RESOLVED.
Dear brother, Syed Ali-ul-Ahsan,
Salamun Alaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Madad.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat. It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it.
Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9). Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ). It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi ( Also called Boneri Trimzi)son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ).
Therefore, Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or the descendants of Suffi “Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi(Bokhari).
Moreover, in relation to the main issue of my contact and divine codes…….it is for my own satisfaction and not for any one else. If any one has any concern about these divine codes he can come to see me and should be satisfied…….accordingly.
doctor sahab:i had contacted you few years ago.I had met you as well and i had shared different versions of our shajras with you,and you had sent me this shajra,…………………
kindly send me the copy of shijra sent to you from uch sharif so that I can see any fault available in it…..you may send it through email: akbarmono19@hotmail.com
I think ur shia
And their shia belongs to family of Muhammad
You well be finish for that shiaizam
I am belong to a real syed family and we are suni
And you just doing shirk all the life and also why u say that ur syed don’t say again .
No one syed are shia .
How you can be in family of Muhammad
Because u doing shirk just asking help from Ali (r.z) .
Why not u ask help from Allah .
Jiss din tumhein yeh pata challa key Allah kiya hey paoun key neechey sey zamin bhi nikal jay gi aur tum ney kiya kaha khub samjh ajay gi………pehley Allah key barey jis kitab sey perhney ka hokum Quran ney diya uss k perh ker Allah ko tu samjh lou?…..Quran Surah Al Hajj Verse no 22 ….mein Allah key liye Kitabe Munir sey elm hasil kerna hey……aur Kitabe Munir key bagheir Allah key barey bat kerney valey Kulee Shyatien key murid hein …..jesey aap (Surah Al Hajj verse no 3)……aur ub yeh bhi zaruri hey key Kitabe Munir ki talash ki jay jiss key elm key bagheir tum Shyatien key Murid bun gay they…..tu yeh lou Quran ney surah fatir mein uss ko pichli kutub e Illahiya key sath bheija jana bataya hey….(Quran surah Fatir ayat no 25)…….ub zahir hey tum uss kitab ko nhi jantey jis din uss Kitabe Illahiya sey Allah ko jan saku gay moula ELY (AJ) sey mangney mein na siraf fakher hasil karu gey bulkey hamesha key liye Shia hu jaou gey….jesey Sibtaim boneri bhai aik hi mulaqat mein na siaraf shia hu gay hein bulkey Illahiyat key regular student bhi bun gay hein……apko bhj zyada deir nahi lagey gi…….you are welcome to visit me in Rawalpindi……my cell no is 0323 5744134.
sir kindly clarify all these doubts of the scholars of ilmul ansab.ill be gr8ful
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Posted on October 10, 2011 by elijah19
Certification of the shijrah of Trimzi Sadat.
Dear brother, Syed Ali-ul-Ahsan,
Salamun Alaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Madad.
Thanks for your comments and request for the Shijrah of Trimzi Sadat. I have taken a time for this very important issue and we have sat together for a long time to see its justification / verification.
I have taken this issue as a special case and have searched a lot in this issue from different books / Qalmi Nuskha Jaat” available with us and provided by you. At last I have gone through all the records available in Electronic / Print media and different old qalmi shijras available with me and with other Sadat.
It was considered that any mistake to certify it could effect the coming generations and more importantly can affect me, because it is now my responsibility to verify it or reject it. Therefore, I have to consult before final decision to my Lord through the holiest way of my meditation through my code No 513 (9) and Code No 477(18=9).( “THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB WHOM I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH,ARE REQUESTING THAT THEY DONOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE CODES,SO UNLESS THEY ARE SURE WHAT THESE CODESD ARE ABOUT,THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THIS VERIFICATION.”)
Then I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord (THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB ARE REQUESTING YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT DO YOU BY SAYING THAT,I have got its certification through direct contact for my Lord ).and now satisfactorily can certify that Shijra of Trimzi Sadat from Syed Mahmood Trimzi Naqvi son of Syed Ishaq referred to me for verification / certification is truly linked with the Qalmi Shijrah of Boneri Trimzi and it is from our 10th divine Immam ELY-Un-Naqi (AJ).(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANMSAB SAY THAT THIS IS THE OLD BONERI SHAJRA,BUT THE ISSUE HERE WAS NOT OF SADATE BONER BUT IT WAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA SAYYIDAN JALANDHAR AULAD E SYED KHAIRUDDIN TIRMIZI MIRAN SAYYID KHAS DARVESH E CHARRAM POSH.SADAT E DOKOHA.NO SHAJRA OF SADAT E DOKOHA CONTAINS ANY OF THE ABOVE NAMES ABOVE SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,RATHER ALL THESE NAMES FROM SYED ISHAQ UP TO IMAM ALI NAQI ARE IN THE OLD SHAJRAS OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT,RATHER THE OLDEST SHAJRAS AND EVEN THE NOW ACCEPTED SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI SADAT WRITTEN ON THE GRAVE STOINE OF SYED ALI GHAWAS TIRMIZI BONERI IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT SHAJRA IS LINKED TO SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SON OF SYED IMAM ZADEH MUHAMMAD SO N OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM.
WHERE AS ALL OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E DOKOHA ARE AS FOLLOWS.
MEHMOOD TIRMIZI SON OF SYED AHMAD ABU YUSAF SON OF SYED ABDULLAH SON OF SYED ALI UL ASHQAR SON OF IMAM ZADEH JAFAR SANI SON OF IMAM ALI HADI NAQI ALAIHIS SALLAM).
SO THE OBJECTION BY THE SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY IS THAT IT IS NOT YET PROVED FROM ANY QADEEM SHAJRA/OLD SHAJRA THAT THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E DOKOHA AND SADAT E BONER WAS ONE AND THE SAME SYED MEHMOOD TIRMIZI,SO HOW CAN A SHAJRA OF BONERI TIRMIZI BECOME THE SAME FOR SADAT E DOKOHA,AND HERE THEY ALSO OBJECT THAT THE SHAJRA THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR SADAT E BONER EVEN THAT SHAJRA IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD SHAJRAS OF SADAT E BONER.
It is certified as under:
Syed Mehmood Tirmizi son of Syed Ishaq son of Syed Usman son of Syed Jafar son of Syed Umar son of Syed Muhammad son of Syed Hussamuddin son of Syed Shah Nasir Khusro son of Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam son of Syed Abul Moayyid Ameer Ali son of Syed Abdul Raheem son of Syed Jafar Ali son of Syed Mehmood Makki(SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB OBJECT TAHT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI SHER SAWWAR BHAKARI SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SHUJA THE SON IN LAW OF KING OF IRAN WAS THE FIRST NAQVI THAT CAME IN BHAKAR ROHRI AREA AND HE CAME FROM MASHAD.HE CANNOT BE THE ANCESTOR OF SADAT E TERMEZ DOKOHA OR BONER.ADDITIONALLY THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT SYED MEHMOOD MAKKI WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE SON OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI AND HE WAS NOT THE GRAND SAON OF SYED ABDULLAH)son of Syed Muhammad Samarkandi(SCHOLARS CLAIM THAT IN NO SHAJRA SON OF SYED ABDULLAH BY THE NAME OF SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI IS GIVEN,SO HOW DID U COME TO KNOW THAT SYED MUHAMMAD SAMARKANDI WAS THE SON OF SYED ABDULLAH) son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –Ul- Ashqar son of Syed Jafar Sani S/O Immam ELY-un-Naqi (AJ). It is further certified that Syed Abdullah Son of Syed Ali-ul-Ashqar has two sons namely Syed Ahmed Naqvi and Syed Muhammad Naqvi (latter settled in Samarqand, till Syed Mahmood Naqvi Son of Syed Muhammad Fakhruddin who was later called Trimzi Naqvi. The well known Bokhari Sadat from Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, districtt Bahawalpur – Pakistan are the descendants of Syed Ahmed Naqvi the other son of Syed Abdullah son of Syed Ali –ul- Ashqer the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ).
Therefore Trimzi sadat are not Bokhari Sadat or not the descendants of Suffi “ Syed Muhammad Jallal-ud-Din Nqvi ( Bokhari) from Uch Sharif, district Bahawalpur – Pakistan but they are the descendants of Syed Muhammad Naqvi Samarqandi son of Syed Ali-ul- Ashqar the real grand son of our 10th Immam ELY-ul-NAQI (AJ). May Lord bless you all and keep you under His Great Mercy / Rehma (Immam ELY–AJ) and Grace/ Fazal (Muhammad –SAWW), Amen.
Prof Dr. Syed Akbar abbas Naqvi Bokhari.
YOU ARE KINDLY REQUESTED TO CLARIFY THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF VERIFICATION AND KINDLY RESPOND TO THE CRITICISM OF THE SCHOLARS OF ILMUL ANSAB,BECAUSE UNLESS ALL SCHOLARS OF GENEALOGY ARE NOT SATISFIED,THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT BE RESOLVED.
Dear Prof. sahib,
I am also Naqvi Tirmizi Syed from Swat. We have hand written shajara of our family which is as under:
Shah Waliullah S/o Tahir Shah s/o Syed Ali Azhar s/o Syed Ameer Baacha s/o Syed Ahmad Shah s/o Syed Noor Ali Shah s/o Syed Mian Hazrat Shah s/o Syed Mian Talab-ud-Din s/o Syed main Pir Aashiq s/o Syed Mian Masood s/o Syed Mian Abdul wahab s/o Syed Mian Mustafa s/o Syed Ali Ghawas Tirmizi (Ppir Baba) s/o Syed Qanbar Ali s/o Syed Ahmad Noor s/o Syed Yousuf Noor s/o Syed Muhammad Noor Bakhsh Tirmizi s/o Khwaja Syed Ahmad Beyghum s/o Syed Ahmad Bidaq s/o Syed Ahmad Mushtaq s/o Syed Shah Abu Ayyub Turab s/o Syed Hamid s/o Syed Mahmood s/o Syed Ishaq s/o Syed Usman s/o Syed Umar s/o Syed Muhammad s/o Syed Hussamuddin s/o Syed Shah Nasir Khisro s/o Syed Jalal Ganjul Alam s/o Syed Abul Muyaeed Ameer Ali s/o Syed Abdur Rahim s/o Syed Mahmood Makki s/o Syed Abu Jaafar Muhammad s/o Syedina Imam Ali Naqi s/o Syedina Imam Jawwad Taqi s/o Syedina Imam Ali Raza s/o Syedina Imam Musa Kazim s/o Syedina Imam Jaafar Sadiq s/o Syedina Imam Muhammad Baqir s/o Syedina Imam Zainul Abideen s/o Syedina Imam Hussain s/o Syedina Ameer-ul- Momineen Ali karamallahu wajhu.
Shah Waliullah
Swat, Pakistan.
shusainswat@yahoo.com
assalamoalikum
Allah si umeed hi sab khiryat si hongi.mira taaloq bunir si hi awar syed ali termizi rahmatullah aalih 12 posht mi meri dada hain moji ye maloom karna hi ki sadat ki jitni akabireen gozri hain kia woh shiaa maslak si taaloq rakhti thi jisa ki mazkora bala bianat si zahir ho raha hi ya woh sunniulmaslak thi?bazati khod syed ali termizi ki maktobat (tazkiratul abrar wal ashrar)si to ye zahir hi awar ye aik haqeeqat hi ki woh mowahhid thi.awar sunniulmaslak thi awar aon ki baad jitni bhi oun ki awlad mi gozri hain sab sunni thi.syed abdul wahab (shalbandi)syed qasim(peer kali swat)syed hassan(kodai swat)ais tarah jo baad mi thi woh sab.syed akbar shah of sithana jo ki swat awar buner ki hakim bhi gozri hain woh syed ahmad awar sha ismail ki pakki sathi thi awar jan wo mal oun ki tahreek par qurban ki tha.
Beta beshak tammam key tammam pak zuriyat key phal Shiane Ali sey wabista hein. bulkey shia tou sadat key peroukar ka nam hey…… lehaza yeh kehna key koi sunni syed tha tou yeh darust na hey….. Jin logoun ney Banu Umuyyah aur Banu Abbas key adwar mein waqti tour per taqiyah kiya aur Arabs sey hijrat ki voh bhi bad mein jahan bhi muqeem huvey taqiyyah sey bahir agay aur zahir hou ker Shia syed hei rahey.
Sunni mazhab tou Immam Jaffar-ul-Sadiq (as) key shagirdoun ney shuruh kiya aur Sadat tou Immam Ali (aj)sey challi Aati hey….jo sub hei Shiane Ali (aj) hei they. Han Pakistan aur Hindustan ya Afghanistan mein ager koi Sunni Syed bunta raha tou uss ka Sadat sey koi ta’alouq na tha voh Syed bun bethey Syed they nahi……
meri khayal mi ais bari mi aap si certificate lini ki zaroorat nahi hi.tareekh hum ni bhi padhi hi ki shia ka silsils kahan si shurou howa awar kion howa.syed banta nahi hi pida hota hi .ais leye aap si guzarish hi ki khud jo bhi ho bani raho likin kisi ko syed ka certificate dina tumhari bas ki baat nahi awar na zaroorat hi ki tum certificate do.zara ye to batain ki shia ka tareekh kahan si shuro hota hi?
Aap ki taalimat ka faraq hy verna aap essa sawal na kertey……rahi shia ki tarikh tu yeh aap key buss ki bat nahi kyun key aap surah Al=Hijjr ki ayat no 10 ki tarikh sey na waqif hein. Shia Ruhoun mein Addam(as) sey 2000 saal qabl bany ……aur Qur’an mein Shia-ul-Avalien kehlay……..Yeh bhi yad rahy key Adam (as) sey qabl jo 2000 sal hyn unka aik din hamara 1000 saal huta hy….umeed hy aap ki purri tassali hugai hugi.
I am searching sjjra
plz send the details of your forefathers with their parentage to verify it from the main shajra. it can not be given to any one ……outsider
i have a shjra but i’m confused, kindly correct me, i m the son of Pir baba bunair swat, but two shjras avaiable at the shrine of pir baba, one a stone (Katba) in which, from pir baba to 21 number syed abdur raheem, syed mehmood makki, syed muhammad samar kandi, syed ali al naqi..
and another shajra clain that syed mehmood makki, syed ali akbar, imam hasan askari, syed ali al naqi,
plz tell me which one is correct or provide me original plz
i m very thankful to you
Sallamu Alaykum,
Is there any Bhakri Naqvi Sayeds here who have their Shajra they can share ?
yes you can send the details and we can compare with it
i have complete sajra
yes i am bukhari syeed from hazrrrat jalal surkh posh r.a
yees i have
salam,
do you have details of hasani saadat?
No sorry
any one here having knowledge about Hazrat Yahya al Suif son of Imam zada Hazart Jafer bin Imam ali al Naqi and his decedndants
I think u have some mistake in tirmazi shajra
1-imam naqi(a.s)
2-syed Muhammad balad
3-MEHMOOD MAKI
4-SYED ABDUR RAHEEM
5-SYED JALAL GANGJ ul Alam…
Dear elijah19
I would like to introduce myself – my name is Syed Subtain Hussain Termizi belong to Rustam, Mardan and grandson of Hazrat Ali Shah Pir Baba Termizi (Bunir, Swat). I have number of Termizi and Bukhari Saddat Qalmi Shajray and want to share but also to verify in the Pir Baba few names are to discuss from Syed Mahmood Makki to Imam Ali Naqvi A.S.
my cell no and email address for your information to contact you for a meeting
email: ssbacha@gmail.com – cell: 0333-9058572
you can submit your reply on email akbarmono19@hotmail.com and you may know that Qadri are not syed according to our records of True Shijra. Qadri’s are from Abdul Qadir Jillani of Baghdad-Iraq. In Iraq every one knows that he was not a true Syed as well as he was an enemy of Imam ELY(aj) and his holy seed. Please take care and research on this issue if you can. You can send your reply on my email given above. A personal meeting is not possible in these days.
It very hurting to hear from you so harsh words for Sheikh Abdul Qadir jillani, he was syed, your shajjarah is not the book of Allah. So keep your shajjrah with yourself if you do not accept sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani syed. And one more thing Ahle Bait e Rasool (SAW) were sunnies not shias.
Don’t worry some time harsh words could change a life, Truth is not honey. It is for your kind information that Qur’an in 15:10 has clearly mentioned that every Prophet was sent from Shia-ul-Avalina and in 15:13 it is mentioned that every Sunni will not take Iman as it was the past practice of Sunnah ul Avalina……More over, Qur’an has clearly mentioned that Hz: Ibrahim (as) was also Shia and Musa (as) was Shia. Be careful that it is also mentioned in Qur’an that Hazur (saw) have said that I ‘ll follow the creed of Ibrahim (as).
Moreover, it shows that you have no knowledge of your own faith…..Sunnah now the days are from 4 Sunnah Immam and they were the student of our 6th Immam Jaffar-ul-Sadiq (aj). Then they have been placed as Sunnah Immam in front of our holy and divine Immam. These Sunnies are even not in Karbala…….50 years after Hazur (saw). In the time of Hazur there were only 2 groups. Fariqun Hudda V/S Fariqun Zallala.(Qur’an 7:27) Now Shiane ELY(aj) V/S Shiane Muaviah (lanah) which was of Fariqun Huda and Fariqun Zallala? Abubakr,Ummer and Usman were shia as well, as these 4 Sunnah Immam and 4 Fariq of Sunnah were not even born at that time.
If you need to know more then read “Tarikhe Islam” written by:Bashir Ahmed Tammana a sunni writer and the official book of Syllabus for Punjab University, Lahore. Which also certified that in the time of Hazur (saww) there was only 2 Farik Shia ELY(aj) V/S Shia Muaviah (lanah). Now you can decide where the Prophet was and what was his faith? When Sunnah is already rejected by Qur’an at 15:13 so be careful in your faith and find the truth before you die………..
dear asghar shsh assalamoalikum
thanks for a true and straight comments. i my self belong to sadat of buner. no one of ahlul bait were shia it is true.we alla sadat of buner are sunnies.no one of them are shia neither our great grand father in buner SYED ALI TERMIZI was shia. check his book (تذكرة الابرار والاشرار). thanks once again
Every Prophet was shia and every divine ones our Kule Jallalien were shia and not Sunnies……Sunnies are non beleivers…La-Youminoun Qur’an Surah Al=Hijjr 15:13……Every Syed is a divine seed and all our Holy Ahlyl-Beit were only shia…….Every sunni claiming to be a Syed is not true syed and he must have to provide his Shijra in this regard when there is an issue of true Syed. Morevover, Boneri sadat are not the true sadat as their shijra is not valid and have no link with our great forefathers the true lineage of Immam ELI (AJ).
Dear Asghar
I have the book (تذكرة الابرار والاشرار in Farsi published in 1843) written “Akhund Darweza Baba” sunni Mulvi and he was Murid of Pirbaba Sahib. But there is no mentioned anywhere that Pirbaba was “Shia or Sunni”. I think he was belong to his grand grand father Hazrat Muhammad Noor Bakhash (Ray, Iran) Lineage “Silsila Noorbakhshia Kibrawiya”.
(واللہ اعلم)
kindly provide me the saajra, i m alos grandson of Pir baba, i have confusion about shajra, one claim that after ali naqi, and then hasan askri,
another claim taht, after ali naqi, syed muhammad samarkandi plz provide me
i have this shajra from hazrat adam a.s to shah jivna
03248203246
Salam my name is Qasim Shah .
Syed Ali ghawas Termezi was our family member but not sure how we link with him. I think he is my dada’s dada. My dada’s name was Ishaq Shah. And my father’s name is Mubarak Shah. Can someone help me with it??
my name zafar ali from haripur hazara kpk i m termizi syed my family tree belongs to peer baba swat
i m writting a research book on history of termizi sadat if u want to share anything about our family history plz contact 923326004926or mail me
AAP NI EMAIL NAHI LIKHA HI TO KIS TARAH RABITA HO?
yeh konsi baat hoi ki aap ki bas ki baat nahi bora laga haqeeqat ais leye? janab sorai hijar zara aap bhi padhin ghour si awar logon ko missguide mat karin haan agar aap ka alag sorai hijar hi to woh alag baat hi nahi to quran mi shia ka zikar kahin nahi hi. zara yeh hazrat jo aap ki site per aati hain mi oun si bhi darkhwast karonga ki aap log khud kion quran nahi padhti . rahi baat certificate ki to aap koun hoti hain certificate dini wala? mohtaram zara haqeeqat ki taraf aayen awar awaz aaye wali baaton ko chodin.
you say boneri sadat are not true sadat . we the boneri sadat do not acknowlege your shajara.and also you as false syed.you have no authority to declear someone non sadat. dikho ALLAH si daro kionki aik na aik din ous ki pas bhi jana hi.
jannab sadaat e naqvi ul tirmizi dokohvii jin ki taqreeban 200 saal purrani book jo unke apnay buzurg hafiz syed abdul samad urf qudrat ullah sahab ne likhi thi ke mutaabiq sadaat e tirmizi naqvi dokohvii ke jadd e amjad syed khairuddin tirmizi indaazan 1459 ya phir 1463 issawi mein bahlol lodhi aur tatar lodhi ki dawat pe tirmiz se hijrat karr ke hindustan jalandhar ayey thay aur jalandhar se 2 kilometer ke fasla pe aik gaoon abaad hua jiska naam hi pehlay dokoha sadaat thaa jo aaj kall abb dakoha kehlata hai.Iss kitaab ke mutaabiq tirmizi sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ka shajra e nasab uupar ja ke syed jafar sani iben imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se milta hai.Dunnia mein aaj takk aisee koii kitaab hummaray ilm mein nahin ke jismein syed imam zadeh jafar sani ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam ke ilawa kabhee kissi aur imam zaday ke sath sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ka shajra e nasab kissi muhaqqiq ne jora ho.Khudd sadaate dokoha jalandhar ki mashuur rivayat ke mutabiq bhee yeh sabb tirmizi naqvi hi kehlatay ayey hain.Lekin syed khairuddin tirmizi ra ke jo parr dada thay yaani syed khairuddin tirmizi ibne syed izzuddun ibne syed fakhruddin ibne syed mehmood tirmizi.In syed mehmood tirmizi ke mutalliq to hafiz syed abdul samad qudratullah aur sadaate dokoha ke shajron mein yeh likha milta hai ke yeh apnay zamana mein qutab e zaman thay lekin syed emhmood tirmizi se uupar shajra imam zaday se jortay huay shadeed ikhtelafaat huay hain.Riaz ul ansaab al maroof gulzar e naqi syed maqsood naqvi multani railway officer aur anwaar us sadaat gulistan e fatima syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii bhaakar walay in donon kutab mein sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ke shajra maujud thay aur aaj takk maujud hain.Inke ilawa bhee shayad inse bhee qadeem kuch kuttab mein sadaate dokoha jalandhar ke shajray maujud thay ikhtelaafat ke sath.Aik aur baat hairankun yeh hai ke syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii sahab ne to sadat e dokoha ka tazkira shayad aik se ziyada jagghon pe kia thaa,aur unhon ne to syed mehmood tirmizi aur syed khairuddin tirmizi k sath apnay zaati shajra yaani syed ahmed tokhta tirmizi mochi darwaza lahorii ra aur unke aba o ajdaad ke shadi ke silsilay bhee zahir kiyay thay.Lekin jabb in buzurgon ke jinke rishtay naatay aur jinki auladon ke nikah aapis mein zaahir kiyey gayey ki dates jo tareekh se maloom huii hain ko compare kia jayey to yeh periods match nahin kartay.Abb maloom nahin ke syed ahmed tokhta tirmizi abidi aulad e imam zada hussain al asghar ra bin imam zain ul abideen alaihis sallam ra syed khairuddin naqvi tirmizi ra dokohvii ki rishtay dariii kis tarrah thee aur kia rishtedaari theee.Kyunke yeh imkaan mujhay to nahin nazzar ataa ke syed zafaryaab hussaini tirmizi nanotvii ne baghair kissi rivayat ke hi khawah makhwaah sadaate dokoha naqvi tirmizi se apnay nanhiyaal ka rishta jorlia ho,aur woh bhee bila wajjah.Iske ilawa aik aur baat ke is waqt hummaree tehkeek aur maloomat ke mutabiq iss dunnia mein sirf sadaate dokoha jalandhar woh syed hain ke jo tirmiz se nisbat jorrtay hain aur imam ali naqi alaihis sallam ki aulad honay ka daawa bhee kartay haina ur hamesha se yeh naqvi hi mashoor rahay.Inke ilawa aik behadd mashuur syed buzurg guzzray hain jinki shohrat yaqeenan is daur mein sadaate dokoha ke ajdaad se bhee bohat ziyada hai aur woh thay syed ali ghawwas tirmizi pir baba bonerii ra.Inke qadeem sajron mein bhee ikhtelaaf raha ke kuch to syed imam zada hussain al asghar ibne imam zain ul abideen alaihis sallam se jortay rhaya lekin kuch imam zadeh syed muhammad ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se bhee jorrtay rahay jabke kuch imam zaday jafar sani ibne imam ali naqi alaihis sallam se bhee jortay rahay,aur kuch imam hassan askari alaihis sallam se kuch rivayaton mein mansoob aik betay syed abdullah ali akbar maHDI se bhee shajray jortay rahay.Sadaat e dokoha jalandhar ke bhee kuch buzurgon ne sadaat e boner ke muhaqqiqin ki tehkikat se mutasir ho ke hi apnay shajray imam zada jafar sani ibne ima ali naqi alaihis sallam ke ilawa kuch deegar imam zadon ke sath joray halanke baraadree mein koii qadeem rivayat aisee harrgiz na thee.Aaap muhaqqiqeen se guzzarish hai ke tirmizi sadaat e naqvi dokohvii tirmizi sadaat e naqvi bonerii aur tirmizii sadaat e hussaini aulad e ahmed tokhtaa ra ke mutalliq tehkeek kijyey.
hum mukamal tehqiq k bad hi keh rahy hyn ki boneri sadat ka sadat sey koi taaluq nhi yeh khud sakhta shijra hey jiss ka Humarey Aaima sey koi taaluq nahi
Naqvi termazi buneri hazraat is website par visit karain
http://www.pirbaba.org
The said Shijra shown here is totally false and can not be accepted as it is incomplete with the names of missing forefathers / nation’s gap….known to every shijra holders in Sadat.
hey, i am Syed Abid Shah, from District Tor Ghar, (Kala Dhaka) Hazara Division. I am a Trimzi Syed, and from the chain of Pir Baba Bunir. Our chain proceeds from Grand son of Pir baba named Syed Abdullah(Bunir) S/o Syed Muhammad Mustafa Shah S/o Syed Ali Shah(Pir Baba.) i want to know about history of any decendents of Imam Hassan Askari and his Son Imam Mehdi, as Imam Al naqi sons were having Imam jaffar Sani and Hassan Askari. THANKS
sorry brother the said boneri sadat are not from our lineage of sadat and it was already disclosed, so we are not allowed to release any information about the said lineage from our major shijrahs of sadat.
you are right they are not from your linage and we also want to be not from your linage (الحمدللله)tanks to ALLAH we are not from your linage . we are proud of .as you are told before any kind of certificate is not required from you. coz the king of jordan is also not syed the amir of hijaz hussain bin ali is not syed through your point of view coz they are not shia. so keep your certificates with you. we do not acknowledge you as authority.and my friend we have read the history . who is who it is clear.
Thanks for your comments on this blog……..we appreciate your negative approach on this subject……….can you explain why Hz:Yahya (aj) was a Syed according to holy Qur’an……? And what was the lineage being a Syed…….you must keep in mind that Zakrya was not a Syed in his lineage as well. And do you believe that Hz:Yahya (aj) was a Sunni in faith being a Syed…?
thanks for asking this question do you know what is the meaning of SYED in arabic? HAZRAT BILAL was from africa and had no connection even with arabs but was called syed why? what you mean from SYED? read the arabic grammar and then reply.(سيدا و حصورا) i understand this but please read the full content .and what is the meaning of (شيعا الاولين) i understand that but you have not read the full QURAN and that is limited up to reading only not the meaning and tafseer . ist of all learn the meaning of SYED. TAHT IS THE PROBLEM FATHER IS NOT SYED AND SON IS SYED. it is your doctorine father is not syed and son is syed a lot of questions arising from this statement. it is not negative approach as you deem just learn arabic and then you will know.
Mr Sadiq
Once again you have no knowledge of Quran, otherwise you must know that sadat is refereed to shijra e tayyiba and as well as zurriyete tayyiba / divine and holy descendants…….Moreover, Hz: Bilal Habshi never called himself as Syed……..these false guidance is provided by the enemies of Quran and Islam. And the Anti Muslims have published these kinds of titles of Syed to every one of whom they like and love………..and ruined the teachings of Islam and Quran.
Dear Elijah19
My name is Subtain Hussain and belong to Hazrat Syed Ali Shah (Pir Baba). Also owner of Pir Baba website. Alhamdulellah Saddat Tarmizi are truly SADDAT if someone are spiritual and they met with Saddat Termizi he will smell the blood of Rassullah Sawallahu Alahay wasalm internally (Batini). We belong to a spiritual family and discuss here to correct or identify missing names in our Shajara as per your research.
Once I have contact you via phone and email and time fix to set and discusses our Shajara and books we have but unfortunately at that time your phone was Off then comeback to Islamabad from Pindi.
I knows many people/family belong to Tarmizi Saddat are “Sunni” and “Shaia” Maslak and it does not means both are not are Saddat. They are true Saddat just way of thought and follower different.
My way of thought are not “Sunni” or “Shia” but belong to Pir Baba (Syed Ali Termizi) real way “Tasuf/Suffizam” and our Imam is Imam Ali (A.S) this not means I am not belong to Saddat Termizi.
I am still ready to meet you and discuss our Termizi Shajara and books to identify/correct missing name. If you can give me time I will come to meet you anywhere.
My contact is 0333-9058572 and email: ssbacha@gmail.com
Dear Subtain Sallamun Alaikum,
Thanks for your comments. The issue is not sunni or shia at present with your reply but sadat as said……A syed of saddat is a matter of descendant ship and according to holy Quran it is referred to a divine and pure holy seed / descendantship called Zurriyete Tayyiba. As well as the holy zurriyete / descendants of Rub ul Ealimien like, Hz: Yahya (AJ) is called Syed through the holy and pure zurriyet of Lord Himself and not of Hz: Zakrya (as). Hz: Zakriya was not syed in zurriyet.
The true lineage of every syed is centrally connected with our Lord ELY (AJ), but its 12 colors are for an introduction of that lineage………Bonneri Shijra was not correctly managed and completed in 1400 years then how it could be completed now with its gap and lineage correction?
Therefore, the so called shijra of boneri sadat is completely invalid and any effort to revive it, within or with any other color of sadat at this stage will be an act of a manifested shirk.
Further in it, please note that the faith of our Lord Most High himself and of every Prophet / Messenger or Divine ones was Shia and not Sunni…….the Sunnies were called non believers “La youminun” at Quran Surah Al- Hajjr 15:13, with many other manifested holy Verses of Quran. And opposite of sunnies the shias were known as true believers at Quran 15:10 with many other verses……..Our divine ones (Allah) said:
“We have submitted every missal /example in this Quran”.
Therefore, it is not possible that every one, following his forefather’s unbelieving branch can be considered in holy and divine lineage / zurriyet of Divine ones. Its true guidance of holy Quran and cannot be refused by any Quran reader.
عباس صاحب
اپ کا کومنٹس دیکھ کر بڑا مایوس ہوا۔
سب سے پہلے اپ کو بتاوں کہ جو بندہ وعدہ کرے اس کو پورا کرے ۔ اپ نے جگہ اور ٹایم بتایا خود لیکن مقررہ وقت پر اپ نے فون بندکیا تھا اور میں ایک گھنٹہ پنڈی میں پھرتا رہا جو اپ کی وعدہ کی پہلی خلاف ورزی تھی۔ کیا ایک سید کیلئے یہ جائز ھے جو یہ دعوہ کرتا رہے کہ وہ ہی سب سے سچا سید اور وعدے کا پابند نہ ہو۔
اپ کو بتاتا چلوں کہ جسطرح اپ سمجھتے ہیں کہ اپ کا بیٹا ایک صحیح سید ہے تو اس طرح اللہ کا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ ہمیں اپنے سید ہو نے میں کو ئی شک نہیں۔ میرے دادا کو حضورصلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم نے اپنا بیٹا کہا ہے اور وہ روحانی ہر وقت حضوری میں رہتے تھے اور جناب سیدہ فاطمہ زہرہ نے اپنا بیٹا کہا ہے۔تما م پحتونحوا میں کوئی بھی شخص سنے کہ یہ پیربابا رح کی اولاد ہے تو دعا کیلئے دوڑتے ہیں اور ایک اپ ہے کہ ایک بڑے ولی اللہ اور شہنشاہ خراساں کو نعوذباللہ اھل سادات سے خارج سمجھتے ہیں ۔ معافی چاہونگا کہ یا تو اپ خارجی سوچ رکھتے ہیں یا صرف بغض کی بنیاد پر کہ یہ سید سنی کیوں ہیں؟
میں اب بھی ملاقات کیلئے تیار ہوں اگر اپ اپنے دعوے میں سچے ہیں تو میں بھی حضور کی نگاہ کرم ، مولا علیؑ کے صدقے، نگارباباجی اور پیربابارحمتہ اللہ علیہ کے اجازت سے مناظرے کیلئے تیار ہوں کہ اپ کو بتاوں کہ ہم ترمیذی سادات اصلی امام حسینؑ کے اولاد ہیں کہ نہیں اس میں جھگڑے کی کوئی بات نہیں صرف معلومات شیئر کرنا ہے۔
ملاقات کیلئے اپ خود جگہ بتایءں یا میری رہائشگاہ اسلام اباد تشریف لایءں اور کھانے کی بھی دعوت دیتا ہوں۔ میں اپنے ترمیذی اھل سادات کو نصیحت کرتاہوں کہ مہربانی کرکے کومنٹس میں کوئی گالی یا سخت الفاظ لکھنے کی ضرورت نہیں کیونکہ ہم لوگوں کو سادات کی لسٹ سے کوئی نہیں نکال سکتا کیونکہ حضور پاک کی خون مبارک شکر ہے ہم ہر سید کے خون میں دوڑ رہا ہے۔
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Syed Abbas 06:21
To: Subtain Hussain Syed Qadri
Sallamun Alaikum, Ya Ely (aj) maddad,
Afsus hy ap ki souch per ap khud ko oulade Hussain (aj) bhi kehty hein aur phr sunni huny per fakher bhi kerty hein……..? Sabit hugya key ap Quran sey bhi ghafil hyn………….raha ap ka munazrey ka challenge tu mujhy tu qabul hey…………Sadat Rub key banun ko bhi kehty hyn……..aur yeh Allah key Anwar ka issue hy…………kiya aap Quran key mutabiq Hz: Imam Mahdi (aj) ko Allah ka baqiya taslim kerty hu? aur kiya ap unko 11th Imam Hassan Askari (aj) ka beta taslim kerty hein…………..Unky waqte maloum per Zahur ko taslim kerty hein? aur kya apko Kitabe Munir ka elm hy jiss mn Sadat ki authority ko byan kiya gya hy……….aur uss Kitabe Munir sey lailmi per insan syed tu kiya Musalman bhi nhi rehta……..ager ap ny yeh chand sawal ky jawab sahih dey diye tu ap na sunni rahein gy na shia……….bulky mono hu jaien gy……..aur phr merey shagird bhi bun jaien gy……….verna Muslim bhi na rahyn gy……..eis liye mujhy challenge kerny sey pehly …….yh jawab tehrir ker dein. taky ap ki Qurani taalimat ki bunyadi taalim ka tu elm husaky……….verna ap jahil krar paou gy aur ap sey mazid guftagu besud hugi………..ager ap ky jawab darust huvy tu phir jub bhi jahan bhi kahyn gy munazira bhi hu jay ga aur sunni shia aur sadat ka bhi elm hujay ga.
Dear Abbas sab
Thanks to your email and comments
I came to my village since Saturday from Islamabad and due to lack of internet cannt access to my email but today out side from village to got your email.
Ajab hay ke ap ko mera Aqeeda meray email ya pirbaba website say maloom na hu saka.
May nay kab Sunniat par fahar kia hay. May na Sunni hun awr na Shia balke mera “IMAM” MolaAli alah salam awr on ke zuriat hay jes say mery zuriat paiwasta hay.
Munaziray ka lafaz may nay eslay liqa ke ap bat shoro karay.
Answer:
1: Mera aqeeda awr eman hay ke Imam Saidina Mahdi alah salam Al Qayam jo Imam Hassan Askaray ka baita hay awr Sarman Raye ghar may Allah kay hukam say Ghaib huwa awr Allah kay hukam say Zohoor farmayangay. Meri duwa ha ke mara ya meri olad ka nam un fehlay 313 momeneen may shamel hu ju onkay hat par Bait farmayangay.
2: Kitab Munir ko ma Imam Ali alhay salam ko samajta hun lekn pura elam say waqif nahe hun. Awr umaid hay ke Mola kay seenay mubarak say munawar hu jawonga jesa ke on ke Mulaqat say faizyab hun.
3: Raha sawal muslman huna ya na huna tu Bhaye sab chonkay hamaray hun may Huzoor Pak Swallaho Alahay Wasalam ka hun hay tu ham par Dozah ke Aag haram hay.
Wasalam
sDear Sibtain Sb.
Apka jawab vohi hey jiss ka mujhy pehly hi andaza tha………..app ka aqeeda Sunni nahi yeh tu sabit hugya……kyun key Sunni Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Imam Hassan Askari(AJ) ka beta nahi mantey. Lehaza acha huva jo aap ney Sunni huney ka inkar ker diya ub aap unko sadat mein kesey lou gy jin ko apny jad ki assal ka pata nhi….ub raha sawal no 2 tu ap ny taslim kiya key Imam Mehdi (AJ) ka zahur huga tu yeh bhi sabit kerta hey key ap ……Zahure Imam (AJ) ko mantey hu jo key phir Sunni nahi manta…..tu ap sunni bhi nahi hu…….ap key sarey jawab shia aqeeda valey hein lakin ap Shia huna passand nahi kerty………baher hal app ney yeh jawab nahi diya key ap Quran ki ayat key mutabiq Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Allah ka Baqiya mantey hu ya nahi…..? Yeh bhi bata dein……..
Question no 2 mein yeh bhi pucha gya tha key ………. Allah key barey jo bhi Mujadilla kerta hey bagheir ELm. Hadayat, Kitabe Munir key voh Kul Shiyatien ka murid hu jata hy……….(Quran 22:8 and 22:3)……App ny jawab dya key Kitabe Munir Moula ELY ko samjhtey hein ……..tu zara Surah Fatir 35 ki ayat no 25 (Surah35:Ayat25) perh lein jiss sey sabit hey key yeh pichley Ambya key sath un key dour mein nazil hui……..tu ub apko tu eis ka elm nahi …….tu yeh bhi nahi jantey key uss ka nam kiya hey aur uss Kitab mein kon si ayat hey jiss ney Allah samjhaya aur bataya hey…..lehaza sabit huva key apka iman Allah per nahi hey……bilkul essey hi jessey apkey pichley bazurgun ka bhi nahi tha……..tu jub Apko Allah ka hi elm nahi tu app ka Islam hi na mukamal huva…..aap apni touheed ka pata karein………phr baad mein iman ki bat hugi……Momin voh hey jiss ka iman 19 key addad sey upgrade huta hey…..(al Quran)….ub 19 kiya hey ap ko kiya elm….? tu beta munazra kya karu gey…..? App tu Qur’an ki Alif Ba ko bhi nahi jantey….?
Ub mazid apko siraf itna hi kehna chahun ga key bat kerney sey pehley soucha karu……………aur Syed kiya huta hey …..? Uss ka aqeeda kiya huna chahye….? uss ko Allah kin ko aur kitney anwar ko kehna chahye……..Allah Nourun Ela Nourien / Lights above the Lights ko kaha gya hey aur yeh 2 group of lights /Anwar kon kon hein? ein key nam kiya kiya hein….? jub tak yeh sub elm na hu…..apka Iman Allah per nahi huta…….Aur Jiss ka iman Allah per na hu tu voh Muslim bhi nahi huta…..Syed huna tu bohat dur ki bat hey…………Umeed hey app ein sub batun per ghour karein gey aur HAQ talash karein gey.
Dear Abbass sab
Waiting comments for my last reply on 21 Sep 2015.
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Syed Abbas 06:21
To: Subtain Hussain Syed Qadri
Sallamun Alaikum, Ya Ely (aj) maddad,
Afsus hy ap ki souch per ap khud ko oulade Hussain (aj) bhi kehty hein aur phr sunni huny per fakher bhi kerty hein……..? Sabit hugya key ap Quran sey bhi ghafil hyn………….raha ap ka munazrey ka challenge tu mujhy tu qabul hey…………Sadat Rub key banun ko bhi kehty hyn……..aur yeh Allah key Anwar ka issue hy…………kiya aap Quran key mutabiq Hz: Imam Mahdi (aj) ko Allah ka baqiya taslim kerty hu? aur kiya ap unko 11th Imam Hassan Askari (aj) ka beta taslim kerty hein…………..Unky waqte maloum per Zahur ko taslim kerty hein? aur kya apko Kitabe Munir ka elm hy jiss mn Sadat ki authority ko byan kiya gya hy……….aur uss Kitabe Munir sey lailmi per insan syed tu kiya Musalman bhi nhi rehta……..ager ap ny yeh chand sawal ky jawab sahih dey diye tu ap na sunni rahein gy na shia……….bulky mono hu jaien gy……..aur phr merey shagird bhi bun jaien gy……….verna Muslim bhi na rahyn gy……..eis liye mujhy challenge kerny sey pehly …….yh jawab tehrir ker dein. taky ap ki Qurani taalimat ki bunyadi taalim ka tu elm husaky……….verna ap jahil krar paou gy aur ap sey mazid guftagu besud hugi………..ager ap ky jawab darust huvy tu phir jub bhi jahan bhi kahyn gy munazira bhi hu jay ga aur sunni shia aur sadat ka bhi elm hujay ga……………….yh email bhi apko bheij dei hy jis ki copy yh paste ker raha hun…………….umeed hy jald jawab dyn gy.
Dear Abbas sab
Thanks to your email and comments
This is my 3rd reply but yet not any comments from your side
“Ajab hay ke ap ko mera Aqeeda meray email ya pirbaba website say maloom na hu saka.
May nay kab Sunniat par fahar kia hay. May na Sunni hun awr na Shia balke mera “IMAM” MolaAli alah salam awr on ke zuriat hay jes say mery zuriat paiwasta hay.
Munaziray ka lafaz may nay eslay liqa ke ap bat shoro karay.
Answer:
1: Mera aqeeda awr eman hay ke Imam Saidina Mahdi alah salam Al Qayam jo Imam Hassan Askaray ka baita hay awr Sarman Raye ghar may Allah kay hukam say Ghaib huwa awr Allah kay hukam say Zohoor farmayangay. Meri duwa ha ke mara ya meri olad ka nam un fehlay 313 momeneen may shamel hu ju onkay hat par Bait farmayangay.
2: Kitab Munir ko ma Imam Ali alhay salam kay Sena mubarak ko samajta hun jo Huzoor (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) kay Senay mubarak say Munawar hay. Such ya hay ke puray elam say waqif nahe hun. Awr umaid hay ke Mola kay seenay mubarak say munawar hu jawonga jesa ke on ke Mulaqat say faizyab hun.
3: Raha sawal muslman huna ya na huna tu Bhaye sab chonkay hamaray hun may Huzoor Pak Swallaho Alahay Wasalam ka hun hay tu ham par Dozah ke Aag haram hay.”
Wasalam
sDear Sibtain Sb.
Apka jawab vohi hey jiss ka mujhy pehly hi andaza tha………..app ka aqeeda Sunni nahi yeh tu sabit hugya……kyun key Sunni Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Imam Hassan Askari(AJ) ka beta nahi mantey. Lehaza acha huva jo aap ney Sunni huney ka inkar ker diya ub aap unko sadat mein kesey lou gy jin ko apny jad ki assal ka pata nhi….ub raha sawal no 2 tu ap ny taslim kiya key Imam Mehdi (AJ) ka zahur huga tu yeh bhi sabit kerta hey key ap ……Zahure Imam (AJ) ko mantey hu jo key phir Sunni nahi manta…..tu ap sunni bhi nahi hu…….ap key sarey jawab shia aqeeda valey hein lakin ap Shia huna passand nahi kerty………baher hal app ney yeh jawab nahi diya key ap Quran ki ayat key mutabiq Imam Mahdi (AJ) ko Allah ka Baqiya mantey hu ya nahi…..? Yeh bhi bata dein……..
Question no 2 mein yeh bhi pucha gya tha key ………. Allah key barey jo bhi Mujadilla kerta hey bagheir ELm. Hadayat, Kitabe Munir key voh Kul Shiyatien ka murid hu jata hy……….(Quran 22:8 and 22:3)……App ny jawab dya key Kitabe Munir Moula ELY ko samjhtey hein ……..tu zara Surah Fatir 35 ki ayat no 25 (Surah35:Ayat25) perh lein jiss sey sabit hey key yeh pichley Ambya key sath un key dour mein nazil hui……..tu ub apko tu eis ka elm nahi …….tu yeh bhi nahi jantey key uss ka nam kiya hey aur uss Kitab mein kon si ayat hey jiss ney Allah samjhaya aur bataya hey…..lehaza sabit huva key apka iman Allah per nahi hey……bilkul essey hi jessey apkey pichley bazurgun ka bhi nahi tha……..tu jub Apko Allah ka hi elm nahi tu app ka Islam hi na mukamal huva…..aap apni touheed ka pata karein………phr baad mein iman ki bat hugi……Momin voh hey jiss ka iman 19 key addad sey upgrade huta hey…..(al Quran)….ub 19 kiya hey ap ko kiya elm….? tu beta munazra kya karu gey…..? App tu Qur’an ki Alif Ba ko bhi nahi jantey….?
Ub mazid apko siraf itna hi kehna chahun ga key bat kerney sey pehley soucha karu……………aur Syed kiya huta hey …..? Uss ka aqeeda kiya huna chahye….? uss ko Allah kin ko aur kitney anwar ko kehna chahye……..Allah Nourun Ela Nourien / Lights above the Lights ko kaha gya hey aur yeh 2 group of lights /Anwar kon kon hein? ein key nam kiya kiya hein….? jub tak yeh sub elm na hu…..apka Iman Allah per nahi huta…….Aur Jiss ka iman Allah per na hu tu voh Muslim bhi nahi huta…..Syed huna tu bohat dur ki bat hey…………Umeed hey app ein sub batun per ghour karein gey aur HAQ talash karein gey.
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کر
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کروں۔
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
وسلام
Sibtain sb,
Sallamun Allaikum, Tohfa Ya ELY (AJ) Maddad,
Beta na koi jeeta aur na hi koi hara hum sub Anwar sey elm hasil kertey hein aur Anwar hi Quran mein baar baar yad kervatey hein key hum jissey chahtey hein elm sey nawaztey hein……..yehi Anwar Zabur mein doors of knowledge kehlatey hein……..kash key mulla ko yh khaber hu jay aur voh Muslim bun sakey…..momin huna tu phir uss key bhi baad ki baat hey………Aap ka sara aqeeda shia wala hey…….lehaza app kyun key yeh nhi jantey key Allah bhi shia hi hey eis liye app abhi eis issue sey la ILM hein. Beta aap ney HAQ ko pehley hi taslim ker rakha hey bus masla siraf yeh hey key aap ko bhi Abhi Allah ka elm nahi……..jiss din aap ko Quran wala Allah samjh agya aur Kitabe Munir ki ayat ka elm hu gya baqi sara issue bhi clear hu jay ga………..aur uss din yeh bhi man jaien gey key 1200 saal ka her mulla mufakir Quran sey farigh hey aur uss ka Allah per iman hi na tha……….kyun key phir Kitabe Munir ko perh ker aap ki ankhein khul jaien gi aur aap sarey bazurgun ko bhul jaien gey ……..kissi ka jo bhi claim hu sub jhuta nazar aye ga jub uss ka Islam aur Iman duno hi Quran sey bahir hu gay……..aap 5 tarikh key baad jub chahein mujh sey rabita ker key mill lein aur Kitabe Munir ko bhi perny ka muqa milley ga jo 1200 saal key kissi mulla ko naseeb hi na husaka……Mola aap ki rehberi fermain ameen. Allah ki teen degryan hein…Allah, Allaho Akbar, Allah ul Kabir………..Allah aik group ka taaruf hey…..phir Allah o Akbar aik essi hasti hey jo khud nurri makhluq hey aur 19 Anwar mein 2nd command hey………aur phir yeh 19 Anwar jub tahlil hu ker yakja hutey hein tu ein ko Waheed huna bhi kehtey hein,….. yani 19 Ahad mill ker aik wahid bunta hey aur aik wahid mein 19 Ahad hutey hein …..Aur waheed 19 ahad key tahlil huney ko kehtey hein.19 Ahad of Anwar key eis yakja huney ko Touheed kaha gya hey…19 Anwar jub tehlil hu ker aik hasti mein jamma hutey hein to uss hasti ko Allah ul Kabir kehtey hein….Quran mein voh hasti Allah ul Aziem kehlati hey……..Sunni kabhi bhi Allah ul Eaziem per iman nahi lay ga……yeh hukme Quran hey………aur uss Allah ul Eaziem hasti ka nam Quran hi mein ELY-ul-Eaziem aur ELY-ul Kabir hey. Yeh 19 hi kyun aur koun? puss jiss ney ein 19 ko paa liya vh Quran ki ruh sey iman mein azafa vala hey…..aur vhi haqiqi momin hey…….yeh sub Quran ki batein hein ………lakin 1200 saal ka her mulla mufakir, pir murid sub farigh hein…….aur Kul shyatien key murid they aur hein…….yeh Quran ka faisla hey mera nhi………..any how dua go hun key mola aap ko zarur hadayat ki roushni dein ameen…………..aur aap jahalat key ghup andherun sey bahir ajaien….
Wassallam
S A A Naqvi
zurriyet ko yad karti ho awar ais aayet ko bhol rahi ho (يا ايها الناس انا خلقنا كم من ذكر وانثى وجعلنا كم شعوبا و قبائل لتعارفو ان اكرمكم عندالله اتقا كم) ais bari mi kia khayal hi?ALLAH ni jab bhi mokhatib kia hi ain alfaz si kia hi (يا ايها الناس او يا ايها الذين امنو) batain kitni bar (يا ايها السادة او يا ايها الابناء السادة ) si mokhatib kia hi aap to dawa karti hain ki sirf aap ko QURAAN ka ailam hi kisi awar ko nahi ais bari mi zara batain nahi to ais ko bhi delet karin kionki ais si pehli aap ni delet kar deya hi. islam aik haqeeqat hi ye awaz aaye per itimad nahi karta balki har cheez saf saf bayan kia gaya hi. (والسلام على من التبع الهدى)
Mr. Zakir Murad ….sadat ko hadi aur qazi buna ker khalaq kiya gya hy Quran 7:181……..bilkul vesey hi jesey qable shariyete Muhammad (saww)…..shariyete Musa (as) ki takmil key liye qoume Musa mein oulade Hz:Harun (as) ky betoun ko yhi duno mansab Hadi aur Qazi diye gay thy jiss ko tammam pichli kutube Illahiya mn byan bhi kiya gya aur taslim bhi kiya gya…………jis ka zikr Quran ny bhi 7:159 mein vazeh kiya……..lakin budbakht so called Muslims aj tak yh na jan saky ky yh duno mansab missle oulade Harun(as) bad Muhammad (saww) oulade Ely(aj) key hein…………..jinko Quran ney bar bar hadayat ki duty per mamur kiya hy……..sarey Musalman yh janty hein key Hazur aur Mola ELY (aj) ki missl Musa (as) va Harun (as)thy……….oulade sadat ko khas matti sey khalaq kiya gya aur insan ko aam matti sy. jiss ki wajah sey Adam Nuh Ibrahim and his descendants va Aale Imran ko baqi sub insanu per fazilat di gai hy……….ap Quran ko nhi samjhty tu eis mein kissi ka kya qasur……eis liye ainda fazul behas na karein…………..
سلام
نقوی صاحب
اللہ اپ کو جزاء خیر دے میں نے پہلے بھی کہا تھا کہ لفظ مناظرہ میں نے ویسے استعمال کیا کہ اپ بات شروع کریں ورنہ میرے سینے میں کوئی علم نہیں اللہ مجھے معاف کرے کہ اپ نے مجھے قران سے رہنمائی دیکھائی۔ اپ جیتے ہیں بغیر مجادلے کے بلکہ اصل بات یہ ہے کہ ہم نے اپ سے مشورہ مانگا تھا نہ کہ لڑائی ۔
ہاں یہ سوال اب پیدا ہورہاہے کہ آخر ہم کون ہیں؟
قران کے اس اصول کے مطابق (ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ويتبع كل شيطان مريد 22:3) ( ومن الناس من يجادل في الله بغير علم ولا هدى ولا كتاب منير22:8) تو اپ
جیت گئے ہیں اور میں ہار گیا ہوں باقی مولویوں سے میرا کوئی تعلق نہیں کہ میں انا سے ضد شروع کروں۔
’’وبقائیم ال محمدن المھدی علیھم السلام واجازتہ ‘‘
قران سے مجھے اتنا معلوم ہوا ہے کہ ’’ یا ایھانبی جاھدلکفارو ولمنافقین‘‘ حضور ﷺ نے تو کفار کے ساتھ جہاد کیا تھا لیکن منافیقین کے ساتھ ابھی تک جہاد نہیں ہوا اور امام اخرلزما ء جناب مہدی علیہ السلام منافیقینوں سے جہاد فرمائیں گے۔
ٓاللہ نور ہے اور اللہ کے نور سے حضور ﷺ پیدا ہوئے اور حضور کے نور سے مولامشکل کشاء علی علیہ السلام و بی بی فاطمہ بتول علیہ السلام و امام حسن علیہ السلام و امام حسین علیہ السلام و باقی ائیمہ معصومین کا ظہورہوا
(واللہ اعلم)
وسلام
haan jab sahih jawab nahi ban pata ho to aus ko fazool bahas kih kar mamla tall dia jata hi. zara aun qurani aayat ko likh kar dikhni walon ko bata din na.naqvi sahib ni bhi to taarifin likihin hain likin jab woh khud batata hi ki mi ni quran nahi padha hi to phir bahas karna bekar hi.aap ni kahan si gunjayesh nikali ki khaqi khuda mi tafreeq hi zara oun qurani aayat ko likhin ni sirf numberoon ki hawala si baat nahi banigi.kab tak logon ko baghir saboot ki gumrah karogi.
agar noh asws ko khas mitti si khalq kia gaya to phir aus ka beta bhi to aisa hona chahye. likin ALLAH quran mi farmati hain انه ليس من اهلك ais leye ki ais ka amal ghir salih hi.jahan bhi lafz شيعا aata hi ais ko apni taraf si mansoob karti ho. arabi mi شيعا ka kia maani hain zara padhni waloon ko bataw na.jab ALLAH farmati hain ki ham ni tum ko انا خلقنا كم من ذكر و انثى و جعلناكم شعوبا و فبائل لتعارفو to kia tum per koi dosra quran autara gaya hi jahan tum ni khalq ki bari mi gunjayesh nikal li. islam دين فطرت hi ye bani banaye kahanion par nahi bana hi . zara ye aayat to qoute karin na jo aap ni likha hi .NOH asws ki beti ki bari mi kia khyal hi jab aos ka walid pighambar tha to beta kion nafarman howa?kia wohb aus khas mitti ka nahi bana tha jis ka sirf aap ko ilam hi baqi sab la ilam .jahan bhi lafz شيعا aaya apni taraf mansoob kia likin aagi الله الله خير سلا wahi aayat jis mi شيعا aaya hi zara qoute karki tarjuma likho na.7:159 ومن قوم موسى امة يهدون بالحق وبه يعدلون aayat no 7:181 وممن خلقنا امة يهدون بالحق وبه يعدلون yahan si aap kia sabith karna chahti hain zara tarjuma likh kar dikhni waloon ko bata din na ,kia ye aap ki bari mi nazil hoi hain ?shani nazool tarjuma awar tafseer likh kar bata din
SHIA used for every prophet in Quran 15:10 and the word SUNNY being a non believer at Quran Surah 15:13….Moreover, Shia means a deep lover it was SHUDDAI in previous scriptures of Hebrew with previous holy Prophets……..now you need to know further about verse 7:159 so it is clear that it was revealed for a special ummah which was in Qoume Musa…….so you may not know bit it was for the zuriyet of Hz:Haroun (as) and these two offices Hudda and Eaddl (Paish Imam and Qazi) was only for them and not for any one else in the law of Mosses………in the same way same these two offices was given to the sons of Mola ELY (AJ) from the law of Muhammad (saww) and verse 7:181 was revealed for zurriyet Imam ELY (aj) and that’s why Hazur have said that Haroun is in missle ELY(AJ) and for my missal was Musa (as)……..Huda and Qazi are these two holy offices and it can not be given to the sinful prople,,,,,because, a sinner is not allowed to give Hudda or to Judge a mankind if he himself is a sinner and convicted one for his sins.
mi ni bohut sari replies post keye hain likin koi bhi tumhari site per publish nahi ho rahi to mi ais si kia nateeja aakhaz karoon?
aap ki ais post ki jawab mi QURAN HAKEEM ki sirf 2 aayat pish karta hoon. سنة من قد ارسلنا قبلك من رسلنا و لا تجد لسنتنا تحويلا. صدق الله العظيم ais mi tum kia karogiلسنتنا si murad kia hi awar ishara kis taraf hi?ab سنة ka maani kia hi tum to apni aap ko bohut bada arabi dan samajhti ho.jab tumhari pas khuli AAYAT moujood hain to phir apni marzi ki maani kion nikalti ho?تلك امة قد خلت لها ما كسبت و لكم ما كسبتم ولا تسئلون عما كانو يعملون. dosri aayat يا ايها الناس اتقو ربكم واخشو يوما لا يجزي والد عن ولده ولا مولود هو جاز عن والده شيئا ان وعدالله حق فلا تغرنكم الحيوة الدنيا ولا يغرنكم با لله الغرور ab ais ki aagi tumhari khud sakhta taweelat ka koi gunjayesh hi?zra sochiye jab tumhari pass tumhari رب ki khuli nishanian moujood hain to taweel kar ki sirf apni aap awar dosroon ko dhoka di rahi ho. pehli شيعا awar سنة ki lafzi maani sikh lo phir aakar baat karna.ab zara ouper likhi gaye aayat ki tarjuma likh din phir mi jano ki tum kitni pani mi ho
elhaj sahib mi aap ki khud sakhta dalayel ki intizar mi hoo.kafi waqt howa aap si mulaqat na ho saki.
jub aap ney khud sakta keh diye tu mazid behas fazul hey…..aap apney firqe per qaim rahien yeh forum aap key liye nahi hey
ab ye hoi na baat aap apni firqi ki hisab si kuch bhi kih din likin aalami islam ka ais si koi taaluq nahi hoga.kionki islam thos (solid) dalayel pish karta hi jo ki QURAN WA SUNNAT HI.jab koi bhi baat quran ni pesh ki ho phir dosri khialat bi maani ho jati hain. aap ka buhut buhut shukria ki aap ni man leya ki aap aik firqi ki hisab si bolti hain